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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/03/13/in-praise-of-powerful-saudi-women/comment-page-1/#comment-29561</link>
		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barkley Rosser--Afwan! 

PS I just clicked through to your list of publications and CV. Impressive! Also enviable list of visiting professorships (especially Paris!!) and one to my maternal grandparents region, Le Marche  (both from Fano, and lived in Pesaro before immigrating to Canada). 

A little economics expertise wouldn&#039;t hurt in the comments on the poverty in Saudi posts! LOL: ) Perhaps not enough of a diversion from everyday work. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley Rosser&#8211;Afwan! </p>
<p>PS I just clicked through to your list of publications and CV. Impressive! Also enviable list of visiting professorships (especially Paris!!) and one to my maternal grandparents region, Le Marche  (both from Fano, and lived in Pesaro before immigrating to Canada). </p>
<p>A little economics expertise wouldn&#8217;t hurt in the comments on the poverty in Saudi posts! LOL: ) Perhaps not enough of a diversion from everyday work. <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: olivetheoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>olivetheoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not sure I’m much “in praise of it” though&lt;/i&gt;

Amen, Sandy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not sure I’m much “in praise of it” though</i></p>
<p>Amen, Sandy!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definately she wields power.  I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m much &quot;in praise of it&quot; though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definately she wields power.  I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m much &#8220;in praise of it&#8221; though <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barkley Rosser</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/03/13/in-praise-of-powerful-saudi-women/comment-page-1/#comment-29556</link>
		<dc:creator>Barkley Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiara,

You&#039;re welcome and shukran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiara,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome and shukran.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/03/13/in-praise-of-powerful-saudi-women/comment-page-1/#comment-29541</link>
		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barkley Rosser--thank you for your initial comment which sits still in my Google Reader to remind me to respond, and this one. 

I agree that women in these situations, including Asa as Sudeiri, have immense, though unacknowledged, power. It reminds me in British history of the power of Eleanor of Aquitaine, or in more contemporary times the role the late Queen Mother played in bolstering King George VI and effecting policy and tone of the Royal family especially during WWII. The Capetian Kings were so powerful in France because of the capacity to produce 10 generations of competent male heirs when other families weren&#039;t able to do so and so were weakened in power. In this way the women of the Capetian kings were powerful in their own right.

I am certainly aware that Asa has great power at the very least as the mother of the &quot;Sudeiri 7&quot; whose sheer numbers make them a prominent force with the strength of ties that being full brothers confers, let alone their tribal connections.

I have done a series of posts on the Royal marriages and their impact on Saudi. including its history, and touched on many of the issues you addressed here. I also reflected on the power of various women, sisters, wives or mothers of the Kings whose role as adviser and leader behind the scenes was clear but less well documented than the history of the men for cultural reasons.

You may wish to read the series of posts which start with an Introduction, then 4 parts focusing on a specific Al Saud each,  and a Reflections post on the prior ones, then another post on the Royal intermarriages amongst royals of the GCC and MENA, and how they affect politics in the region.

The RoyalSaudi/nonSaudi blog category in the sidebar leads to the 7 posts, or you could start here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chezchiara.com/2009/12/royal-saudinon-saudi-marriages-and.html&quot;&gt;Royal Saudi/non-Saudi Marriages and Their Children: Introduction&lt;/a&gt;

or here (includes a summary)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chezchiara.com/2009/12/royal-saudinon-saudi-marriages-and_4643.html&quot;&gt;Royal Saudi/non-Saudi Marriages and Their Children: Reflections&lt;/a&gt;

and work through the others. 

I hope you will enjoy them and comment on anything of interest.

I think the key here, ie in this thread, though, is to give more overt and acknowledged power to all Saudi women, and to have them contribute more fully to society.

Thanks again for both your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley Rosser&#8211;thank you for your initial comment which sits still in my Google Reader to remind me to respond, and this one. </p>
<p>I agree that women in these situations, including Asa as Sudeiri, have immense, though unacknowledged, power. It reminds me in British history of the power of Eleanor of Aquitaine, or in more contemporary times the role the late Queen Mother played in bolstering King George VI and effecting policy and tone of the Royal family especially during WWII. The Capetian Kings were so powerful in France because of the capacity to produce 10 generations of competent male heirs when other families weren&#8217;t able to do so and so were weakened in power. In this way the women of the Capetian kings were powerful in their own right.</p>
<p>I am certainly aware that Asa has great power at the very least as the mother of the &#8220;Sudeiri 7&#8243; whose sheer numbers make them a prominent force with the strength of ties that being full brothers confers, let alone their tribal connections.</p>
<p>I have done a series of posts on the Royal marriages and their impact on Saudi. including its history, and touched on many of the issues you addressed here. I also reflected on the power of various women, sisters, wives or mothers of the Kings whose role as adviser and leader behind the scenes was clear but less well documented than the history of the men for cultural reasons.</p>
<p>You may wish to read the series of posts which start with an Introduction, then 4 parts focusing on a specific Al Saud each,  and a Reflections post on the prior ones, then another post on the Royal intermarriages amongst royals of the GCC and MENA, and how they affect politics in the region.</p>
<p>The RoyalSaudi/nonSaudi blog category in the sidebar leads to the 7 posts, or you could start here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chezchiara.com/2009/12/royal-saudinon-saudi-marriages-and.html">Royal Saudi/non-Saudi Marriages and Their Children: Introduction</a></p>
<p>or here (includes a summary)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chezchiara.com/2009/12/royal-saudinon-saudi-marriages-and_4643.html">Royal Saudi/non-Saudi Marriages and Their Children: Reflections</a></p>
<p>and work through the others. </p>
<p>I hope you will enjoy them and comment on anything of interest.</p>
<p>I think the key here, ie in this thread, though, is to give more overt and acknowledged power to all Saudi women, and to have them contribute more fully to society.</p>
<p>Thanks again for both your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Barkley Rosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barkley Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably nobody is reading this now that it has scrolled on by, but I shall add that there was more to the power of Asa as Sudeiri than simply her being the wilfull mother of a bunch of powerful men.  As the favorite widow of the founder of the Kingdom, she carried a special respect from all of them as well as pretty much anybody else she would come in contact with in her later years.  

Also, it should be kept in mind that the internal politics of the royal family is also very much the tribal politics of the Kingdom, as Abdulaziz unified the Kingdom partly by marrying daughters of tribal leaders after he defeated them in battle and incorporated their territories into the KSA (always divorcing one of his wives when he did so, thereby staying at three at any time so that he could marry on the spot, as it were, when necessary).  As the lead wife, Asa had greater knowledge of all these personal and political matters through the wives and their sons and their tribes.  So, she had vast knowledge as well as vast unofficial authority, and reportedly she used it fully to the end of her days, ordering what her various sons did in pretty much all matters from the personal to the political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably nobody is reading this now that it has scrolled on by, but I shall add that there was more to the power of Asa as Sudeiri than simply her being the wilfull mother of a bunch of powerful men.  As the favorite widow of the founder of the Kingdom, she carried a special respect from all of them as well as pretty much anybody else she would come in contact with in her later years.  </p>
<p>Also, it should be kept in mind that the internal politics of the royal family is also very much the tribal politics of the Kingdom, as Abdulaziz unified the Kingdom partly by marrying daughters of tribal leaders after he defeated them in battle and incorporated their territories into the KSA (always divorcing one of his wives when he did so, thereby staying at three at any time so that he could marry on the spot, as it were, when necessary).  As the lead wife, Asa had greater knowledge of all these personal and political matters through the wives and their sons and their tribes.  So, she had vast knowledge as well as vast unofficial authority, and reportedly she used it fully to the end of her days, ordering what her various sons did in pretty much all matters from the personal to the political.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daisy #37--Again, I only comment on subjects of interest on a public thread on a public blog, just as others do. You are not having private conversations here with anyone. Presumably, since you have asked for the email of certain commentators you realize that. Once again, I reminded you here of mine so you wouldn&#039;t feel compelled to clog John&#039;s blog with this sort of nuisance comment, and I wouldn&#039;t be forced to respond to correct inaccuracies. It seems you need the readership of John&#039;s blog to be encumbered by this type of dictatorial nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daisy #37&#8211;Again, I only comment on subjects of interest on a public thread on a public blog, just as others do. You are not having private conversations here with anyone. Presumably, since you have asked for the email of certain commentators you realize that. Once again, I reminded you here of mine so you wouldn&#8217;t feel compelled to clog John&#8217;s blog with this sort of nuisance comment, and I wouldn&#8217;t be forced to respond to correct inaccuracies. It seems you need the readership of John&#8217;s blog to be encumbered by this type of dictatorial nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is valid when we are on talking terms. If we are not on talking terms then there is no need for you to interfere with my conversations with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is valid when we are on talking terms. If we are not on talking terms then there is no need for you to interfere with my conversations with others.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daisy #35--Again you seem to be projecting your behaviour as if it were mine, just look at your comment #22 on this blog. The email I gave above is the one I put on blogs where appropriate, and on my own. The offer is merely so you don&#039;t need to clog John&#039;s blog with this type of comment to me, but it seems you prefer to do so. Thus, this comment here, instead of by email to you.

Btw. the conversations you have here aren&#039;t private nor exclusive. Anyone might feel compelled to comment on something you write. That is the point of a blog, though people do stay out of certain discussions by choice. Otherwise, it is assumed you would be using other modes of communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daisy #35&#8211;Again you seem to be projecting your behaviour as if it were mine, just look at your comment #22 on this blog. The email I gave above is the one I put on blogs where appropriate, and on my own. The offer is merely so you don&#8217;t need to clog John&#8217;s blog with this type of comment to me, but it seems you prefer to do so. Thus, this comment here, instead of by email to you.</p>
<p>Btw. the conversations you have here aren&#8217;t private nor exclusive. Anyone might feel compelled to comment on something you write. That is the point of a blog, though people do stay out of certain discussions by choice. Otherwise, it is assumed you would be using other modes of communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t keep on jumping into my conversations with other people either.

When I feel you deserve to be contactedI I&#039;ll ask you for your email address, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t keep on jumping into my conversations with other people either.</p>
<p>When I feel you deserve to be contactedI I&#8217;ll ask you for your email address, thank you.</p>
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