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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/01/06/a-matter-of-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-26871</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparky,
Welcome back. You are very creative! Your poem says a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparky,<br />
Welcome back. You are very creative! Your poem says a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/01/06/a-matter-of-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-26868</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Yes, that&#039;s a perfectly plausible explanation of Deoband. Granted.

Thanks also for explaining the motivations behind royal support to terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Yes, that&#8217;s a perfectly plausible explanation of Deoband. Granted.</p>
<p>Thanks also for explaining the motivations behind royal support to terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/01/06/a-matter-of-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-26842</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer on the above poem: I have written poems that people didn&#039;t believe I wrote and don&#039;t necessarily reflect my own personal beliefs but my ability to interject myself into another person&#039;s perspective. E.g.. I can write about my life as I am experiencing it as a butterfly although I am not one. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer on the above poem: I have written poems that people didn&#8217;t believe I wrote and don&#8217;t necessarily reflect my own personal beliefs but my ability to interject myself into another person&#8217;s perspective. E.g.. I can write about my life as I am experiencing it as a butterfly although I am not one. <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2010/01/06/a-matter-of-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-26840</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 11 paragraph one and to the rest of everyone


Poem: Saudi Decision Makers

I say to Saudi rulers and decision makers of the past…not present… you are nothing but passive aggressive supporters; a sleeper cell of Al-Q 

Why? Control and personal interest…
How could the Saudi decision makers have not seen? 
How could that not see what was going on around them everyday constantly? 

How could they not care about the future of their children’s children by the squandering of what was entrusted upon them? 
No one allowed to question and no one allowed to call to accountability.

Book those responsible for the flood or become flooded with the anger at a Minaret at a far off sea?
How could they not see what was becoming a beast? 
They saw and they fed this mighty beast with a smiling face and a sense of pride like there was nothing to hide.
The US knew it and kept quiet for what reasons I know not and it needed not be. 
How could they not see that the mosques and schools and the very environment was a contaminated breeze? 
The contaminated breeze affected people differently. 
Not everyone was subjected to this contaminated breeze; thus why it is so hard or distasteful for some to believe
Those who had the money to spend on private schools and private pools to take a dip got a cooling from the fire of hell; so lucky and how sane they are and how sane they remain

But what about those who beliefs only burn like embers under their poor and disallusioned feet? Are they expected to take a slap in the face and turn the other cheek. These people are burning with their desires and upset for having believed liars.

Ah but wait they say some of these folks are wealthy; why would they then go flee in some cave or hide up in a tree?
Perhaps seeing their poor fellow man so beaten down and cheated they felt the need to take arms and take on the one power that enabled the mighty beast.

Some were sent overseas to set off messages and acts of hate that the rulers never believed would one day come back in their FACE as in a nightmare that never completes but keeps on replaying till awakened from its sleep.
 
But the manipulated of the past still believed still believe. 
Nothing can wake them up from their own sleep. 
A glimmer of hope…a glimmer of peace…a shadow of resentement does not shed relief.

A house, car a fancy beach nothing can undo what happened in the past and nothing is coming not even a “I am really sorry” or &quot;We made a mistake&quot; just take are rake and leave the leaves in their place.

Repairs and acknowledgement can only begin the repair, if not then we all have nothing left but to sow on own despair.

The rulers did not see that the plain people are unable to see and that they refuse to take this new belief and now instead are focusing on their own relief. Forgiveness does not come easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 11 paragraph one and to the rest of everyone</p>
<p>Poem: Saudi Decision Makers</p>
<p>I say to Saudi rulers and decision makers of the past…not present… you are nothing but passive aggressive supporters; a sleeper cell of Al-Q </p>
<p>Why? Control and personal interest…<br />
How could the Saudi decision makers have not seen?<br />
How could that not see what was going on around them everyday constantly? </p>
<p>How could they not care about the future of their children’s children by the squandering of what was entrusted upon them?<br />
No one allowed to question and no one allowed to call to accountability.</p>
<p>Book those responsible for the flood or become flooded with the anger at a Minaret at a far off sea?<br />
How could they not see what was becoming a beast?<br />
They saw and they fed this mighty beast with a smiling face and a sense of pride like there was nothing to hide.<br />
The US knew it and kept quiet for what reasons I know not and it needed not be.<br />
How could they not see that the mosques and schools and the very environment was a contaminated breeze?<br />
The contaminated breeze affected people differently.<br />
Not everyone was subjected to this contaminated breeze; thus why it is so hard or distasteful for some to believe<br />
Those who had the money to spend on private schools and private pools to take a dip got a cooling from the fire of hell; so lucky and how sane they are and how sane they remain</p>
<p>But what about those who beliefs only burn like embers under their poor and disallusioned feet? Are they expected to take a slap in the face and turn the other cheek. These people are burning with their desires and upset for having believed liars.</p>
<p>Ah but wait they say some of these folks are wealthy; why would they then go flee in some cave or hide up in a tree?<br />
Perhaps seeing their poor fellow man so beaten down and cheated they felt the need to take arms and take on the one power that enabled the mighty beast.</p>
<p>Some were sent overseas to set off messages and acts of hate that the rulers never believed would one day come back in their FACE as in a nightmare that never completes but keeps on replaying till awakened from its sleep.</p>
<p>But the manipulated of the past still believed still believe.<br />
Nothing can wake them up from their own sleep.<br />
A glimmer of hope…a glimmer of peace…a shadow of resentement does not shed relief.</p>
<p>A house, car a fancy beach nothing can undo what happened in the past and nothing is coming not even a “I am really sorry” or &#8220;We made a mistake&#8221; just take are rake and leave the leaves in their place.</p>
<p>Repairs and acknowledgement can only begin the repair, if not then we all have nothing left but to sow on own despair.</p>
<p>The rulers did not see that the plain people are unable to see and that they refuse to take this new belief and now instead are focusing on their own relief. Forgiveness does not come easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John--Excellent--and timely! LOL :)

I agree that defining terms is important, especially where some want slippage from of meanings to always be correct, or avoid being pinned down, even if the subtended meaning is clear.

Defining terms has nothing to do with playing semantics and everything to do with good communication. If one cares about a topic it would seem logical to take care to communicate clearly.

Daisy--thanks for reminding me of the term indo-centric, and now because of double checking the meaning of that, I&#039;ve discovered hindu-centrism as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;Excellent&#8211;and timely! LOL <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree that defining terms is important, especially where some want slippage from of meanings to always be correct, or avoid being pinned down, even if the subtended meaning is clear.</p>
<p>Defining terms has nothing to do with playing semantics and everything to do with good communication. If one cares about a topic it would seem logical to take care to communicate clearly.</p>
<p>Daisy&#8211;thanks for reminding me of the term indo-centric, and now because of double checking the meaning of that, I&#8217;ve discovered hindu-centrism as well.</p>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Bedu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank YOU, John.  Well said.

Regards,
Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank YOU, John.  Well said.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Carol</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOHN IS RIGHT!

..and i&#039;m going to stay on topic.

it&#039;s a mental shortcut to load &#039;saudi&#039; with as many negatives as possible. on the other hand, it takes effort to individualize. it takes even more effort, to isolate certain ideas regardless of who holds them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOHN IS RIGHT!</p>
<p>..and i&#8217;m going to stay on topic.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a mental shortcut to load &#8216;saudi&#8217; with as many negatives as possible. on the other hand, it takes effort to individualize. it takes even more effort, to isolate certain ideas regardless of who holds them.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also the matter private support for organizations. Nobody can say with a straight face that terrorists are getting the money for PETN by selling girl scout cookies. And as somebody pointed out, Saudi Arabia&#039;s incredibly opaque system makes it very easy to hide this financial support, be it from people in the gov&#039;t or private citizens. 

It&#039;s kinda like that show &quot;The Wire&quot; where everyone is fine with the cops going after the drug dealers but people with power get uncomfortable when the cops start tracking the money. 

I think if there was a complete auditing, we would discover a lot of rather inconvenient truths about where the terrorists are getting their money. 

And until Saudis get over this arrogant &quot;there&#039;s only one kind of Islam, our Islam&quot; nonsense -- and they have A LONG way to go in this regard -- the culture will always participate in takfiri causes and there will be people in that culture willing to give money to those they think are fighting for &quot;the real Islam.&quot; And the rest of the world will have to fight these Frankensteins.

And just to &quot;define my term&quot; :

I am referring to any Saudis who donates money carelessly (or purposefully without knowing precisely where the money goes), any Saudi who participates in the takfiri cause of condemning &quot;innovations&quot;, any Saudi who actively supports in any way terrorists acts or any Saudi who actively or tacitly supports jihadi causes because he or she believes there is only one form of Islam and the entire world should live under Shariah. 

If you aren&#039;t in those categories I&#039;m not talking about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the matter private support for organizations. Nobody can say with a straight face that terrorists are getting the money for PETN by selling girl scout cookies. And as somebody pointed out, Saudi Arabia&#8217;s incredibly opaque system makes it very easy to hide this financial support, be it from people in the gov&#8217;t or private citizens. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kinda like that show &#8220;The Wire&#8221; where everyone is fine with the cops going after the drug dealers but people with power get uncomfortable when the cops start tracking the money. </p>
<p>I think if there was a complete auditing, we would discover a lot of rather inconvenient truths about where the terrorists are getting their money. </p>
<p>And until Saudis get over this arrogant &#8220;there&#8217;s only one kind of Islam, our Islam&#8221; nonsense &#8212; and they have A LONG way to go in this regard &#8212; the culture will always participate in takfiri causes and there will be people in that culture willing to give money to those they think are fighting for &#8220;the real Islam.&#8221; And the rest of the world will have to fight these Frankensteins.</p>
<p>And just to &#8220;define my term&#8221; :</p>
<p>I am referring to any Saudis who donates money carelessly (or purposefully without knowing precisely where the money goes), any Saudi who participates in the takfiri cause of condemning &#8220;innovations&#8221;, any Saudi who actively supports in any way terrorists acts or any Saudi who actively or tacitly supports jihadi causes because he or she believes there is only one form of Islam and the entire world should live under Shariah. </p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t in those categories I&#8217;m not talking about you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you John, for providing the &quot;motivation&quot;.  It&#039;s been hard to figure out- and if that&#039;s what people were refering to, it would have taken me a very long time to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you John, for providing the &#8220;motivation&#8221;.  It&#8217;s been hard to figure out- and if that&#8217;s what people were refering to, it would have taken me a very long time to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The usual allegation is that the Saudi government (or princes, if you prefer) thought that if they supported terrorism abroad (i.e., not in Saudi Arabia) they could buy immunity for themselves. In a vague way, there might be some truth to that--proving that you&#039;re a good Muslim by fighting the atheist Communists, for example. Beyond that, it doesn&#039;t really hold water.

The other thread is that the Saudis are running a deep and secret plot to establish a new global Caliphate, with themselves at the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The usual allegation is that the Saudi government (or princes, if you prefer) thought that if they supported terrorism abroad (i.e., not in Saudi Arabia) they could buy immunity for themselves. In a vague way, there might be some truth to that&#8211;proving that you&#8217;re a good Muslim by fighting the atheist Communists, for example. Beyond that, it doesn&#8217;t really hold water.</p>
<p>The other thread is that the Saudis are running a deep and secret plot to establish a new global Caliphate, with themselves at the head.</p>
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