But I digress. (I’m really fed up with US foreign policy as defined by my previous 2 generations.)

I know that there are a lot of things being done in the name of suppressing terrorism around the world. I just can’t tell whether this one of them.

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That statement I would agree with because people get unsure asking themselves questions like, “What are these people really up to?” Especially when they hear words like “corrupted Western values” (that is a red flashing danger sign to me) because the person making such statements is already obviously vehemently opposed to Western existence. I think if one studies “western values” one would find that there really isn’t such a thing as “western values” and no one is at the pulpit preaching “western values”. Values are shaped by more that a left side of a hemisphere.

You said, “I beleive if any change comes to this country it will come from conservatives themselves and not Westernized, wealthy liberals who spend half their time in the UK and US who can easily be dismissed as “corrupted” by Western values.”

I think Mr. Mugaiteeb would disagree. He is non-discriminatory in who becomes a member of Human Rights First with the exception that each one must vow to non-violence. He welcomes all who are non-violent. I’m guessing you are thinking that I am liberal. You would be correct. To be exact I am registered to vote as a libertarian. I was a democrat for a long time but always a Pro-Life advocate. I would recommend reading on the libertarian political party if you are not already familiar with it. I do not belong to any political parties outside of the US. I don’t consider myself “wealthy”. I guess you could say I am Saudi middle class working my way up. When I say work, I mean it. Nothing has EVER been handed to us. My first year in Saudi I spent living with my in-laws and another 8 months in a small apartment with no phone, no furniture and NO LIFE. The experience of in-law life and that apartment experience brought upon me a darkness like no other. I had people upstairs jumping constantly over my head in which the lights would shake. I never got any sleep. They would drill at 2:00 a.m. 3:00 a.m. etc. The busy highway was non-stop as the building wasn’t built well and I could hear the sound of fast moving cars non-stop. The only relief I got was a channel on Star T.V. in which is showed very old reruns of the Love Boat. Oprah aired, of which I caught occasionally, only depressed me more because everything was upbeat over there and I was basically in complete misery. After that I moved into a duplex right across from a mosque.

Now I could only dream to live not half my life in the US but all of it there but the current reality is that I can’t at this point in time. “Corrupted by Western values” completely rubs me the wrong way. Can’t Muslims be corrupted as Westerners and is corruption a world alien to superhuman perfected Muslims? NO! Islam teaches that God created man so that he sins and returns in repentance when he has done wrong. God teaches in the Quran that is better to repel the evil deed with one which is better so that whatever enmity was there can be erased and they can become close. The beauty of Islam exists only without coercion in my opinion. When it is forced upon people, it loses its authenticity and genuineness.

And my last words are, “IF any of these people would dismiss me or the likes of me on the presumption of me being “corrupted by Western values” then they would lose ALL MY SUPPORT! Simply because I would agree that such people are dangerous and a danger to all around them because of their narrow mindedness.

I am watching “Planet 51″ right now with my kids. I have many things to reply to your post. So I will be back in a jiffy.

And he’s right. Thanks for the info. Maybe the one that was released was a woman, or maybe I am thinking of the visitors who have been denied access being women. My point was they’re conservative Islamic reformists, which is a bigger threat than the liberals. These people (and probably others) are completely innocent of “terrorism” — but they get less sympathy from the West because they’re not liberals. I beleive if any change comes to this country it will come from conservatives themselves and not Westernized, wealthy liberals who spend half their time in the UK and US who can easily be dismissed as “corrupted” by Western values.

http://hrfssaudiarabia.org/

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People die on both sides. I believe Iraq was a balance of power war but that rhetoric wouldn’t have mothers sending their kids to war to die…They needed something more convincing so they chose to lie but they don’t understand that LIARS ARE ALWAYS EXPOSED!

People are in denial about many of things. America sits friendly with Saudi but because we can have a few planes fly over their lands blah blah. American citizens are alienated by their own embassy here in KSA of which I will not get into at this blog. The mentality of understand our mission is getting old. People on both sides (America and Saudi) want change! I spent the last year in the US and I see how people are suffering. I believe it is safe to say many of people are pissed. That aside and all the problems of the world aside I would much rather live in a democracy than under the mercy of an absolute dictator or monarch. And yes I do want Saudi and America to be friends but not at the expense of Tom Dicks and Harry’s (the tom, dick and harry is a many a previous a joke prior [insider joke]). I think it was a T D & H who took down the world trade centers unless you believe in some mass conspiracy theory. On top of that you get articles like this one we are commenting on giving warnings and threats to people. Whether there was an actual incident or not is questionable. Where was the government when they were asking to make Jews orphans and “hasbeallah a la Amerika”. To Saudi I say and to any other listener “Saudi is not the pulpit of ISLAM nor should they claim to be nor are they entitled to be it!” Yes, I agree they have a special geographic position but besides that get off the high horse because they have tarnished it badly. The pulpit of Islam should be in focus not the bricks and cement of a minaret and every Muslim reading this knows what I am talking about and I am sure even non-Muslims understand it.

Then you have stolen emails in denial about global warming etc. etc. It is a tug of war and I band together with all T D H in my pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness irrespective of my country of residence. I am a mother of 3 Saudi children yet I haven’t more rights than that of a housemaid. It doesn’t take long to figure out where my loyalties lie. At any rate, I understand how people can point the finger at the US and blame them for their situation BUT unless they apply pressure just like people do in the US nothing is going to change. I don’t if that speech made any sense but it is from the heart.

Arguably indeed. Setting aside the refugees who probably are safer (because they’re in Syria and other places) there are plenty of reports that the police apparatus today is reverting back to the old Baathist style of police work. They’re just pulling out the fingernails in concrete cells of different dissidents than the ones under Saddam.

Just for one recent example: the US has shipped $150 million of US taxpayer money as military aid a year to the brutal, murderous regime of Islam Karimov (also supplying him with “law enforcement” training and police batons). To say Iraqis need to be saved with Freedom Bombs(tm) while we prop up Karimov is total hypocrisy.