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	<title>Comments on: Blood Thicker than Money</title>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the Russians tried the sovereign guaranty route for a few years in the 1990s, with some amusing results, for example creditors attempted to seize Russian fighter jets at Paris air shows to pay off debts.  These sovereign guarantees are a lot of trouble for all concerned and do a lot to poison international relations between the parties so affected - which doesn&#039;t mean they are wrong.

Note that in Dubai the locals are also getting favored treatment, as Dubai World is taking the position that it won&#039;t dump assets to pay its creditors unless it can sell at the price and profit Dubai World wants - that is, they&#039;re defaulting on their loans to foreigners in an attempt to make the fortunes of rich locals untouchable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Russians tried the sovereign guaranty route for a few years in the 1990s, with some amusing results, for example creditors attempted to seize Russian fighter jets at Paris air shows to pay off debts.  These sovereign guarantees are a lot of trouble for all concerned and do a lot to poison international relations between the parties so affected &#8211; which doesn&#8217;t mean they are wrong.</p>
<p>Note that in Dubai the locals are also getting favored treatment, as Dubai World is taking the position that it won&#8217;t dump assets to pay its creditors unless it can sell at the price and profit Dubai World wants &#8211; that is, they&#8217;re defaulting on their loans to foreigners in an attempt to make the fortunes of rich locals untouchable.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. Doing business will become more expensive, no matter the business.

It&#039;s the same deal, in a different realm, as was the pre-9/11 issuance of visas to Saudis. Pre-9/11, there was no nationality that was a better risk to be given visas to visit, work, or study in the US. Where other countries, including first-world countries, always had &#039;visa status-jumpers&#039; who would overstay, seek to change their status, or otherwise game the system, the Saudis were practically perfection. They almost never tried to change their visa status and almost never stayed in the US, returning the the KSA when the purpose of their visa was accomplished. Afterwards, Saudis faced among the most challenging processes to get visas to the US for any reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. Doing business will become more expensive, no matter the business.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same deal, in a different realm, as was the pre-9/11 issuance of visas to Saudis. Pre-9/11, there was no nationality that was a better risk to be given visas to visit, work, or study in the US. Where other countries, including first-world countries, always had &#8216;visa status-jumpers&#8217; who would overstay, seek to change their status, or otherwise game the system, the Saudis were practically perfection. They almost never tried to change their visa status and almost never stayed in the US, returning the the KSA when the purpose of their visa was accomplished. Afterwards, Saudis faced among the most challenging processes to get visas to the US for any reason.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Saudi is indeed giving preferential treatment to domestic banks over foreign, ignoring the concept of pari passu, then it is creating a rod to beat itself with. Not immediately, but in months and years to come, the consequences of those actions and those of Dubai&#039;s, in walking away from the debt of Dubai World will come to haunt them.

In future borrowings for parastatal, quasi-governmental projects, a Sovereign Guarantee will become mandatory. No more pretence that &quot;of course, the Government would never allow a default&quot;. This means SABIC companies, VELA (a Saudi Aramco subsidiary) and many others will no longer be treated as &quot;sovereign&quot; and will pay the price in higher lending margins. 

If you want to enjoy all the protection and benefits that the Western legal system provides (and these loan agreements are almost uniformally subject to English Law), then you have to play by the rules. Whether you like it or not. The Saad/Gosaibi situation is no different; break the rules and live with the consequences. It is all a matter of trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Saudi is indeed giving preferential treatment to domestic banks over foreign, ignoring the concept of pari passu, then it is creating a rod to beat itself with. Not immediately, but in months and years to come, the consequences of those actions and those of Dubai&#8217;s, in walking away from the debt of Dubai World will come to haunt them.</p>
<p>In future borrowings for parastatal, quasi-governmental projects, a Sovereign Guarantee will become mandatory. No more pretence that &#8220;of course, the Government would never allow a default&#8221;. This means SABIC companies, VELA (a Saudi Aramco subsidiary) and many others will no longer be treated as &#8220;sovereign&#8221; and will pay the price in higher lending margins. </p>
<p>If you want to enjoy all the protection and benefits that the Western legal system provides (and these loan agreements are almost uniformally subject to English Law), then you have to play by the rules. Whether you like it or not. The Saad/Gosaibi situation is no different; break the rules and live with the consequences. It is all a matter of trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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