Thank you for pointing that out John. In fact, when the price of oil goes too high, our cost of living skyrockets here. It’s better for us with oil at a more moderate price.

Hmmm hockey stick grafts…well good thing the Canadians came in to rectify these falsified grafts. Shan’t be using our icons for mischief!

Right now my view is that climate change is always happening though usually imperceptibly to most of us; what is happening exactly where and why is up for scientific debate, except for those who have found themselves on an ice flow where once the ice was reliable:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/723523–teen-hunter-trapped-alone-on-ice-floe-with-polar-bears

The causes for the current changes are important so that we slow it enough to prepare for the inevitable.

John, thanks for the information about Saudi’s role in OPEC, as I wasn’t aware of that so much as just an OPEC blur, with the occasional rant from Iran or Chavez.

Some of the measures taken to protect the ozone layer were just better for one’s immediate environment at least, eg. aerosol sprays no longer ubiquitous.

Night

You know I wasn’t even gonna comment on this until someone said DRAGON. LOL

And I am really pissed off now at these cheap attempts (someone was paid I am sure) to shape or influence an attempt to attack people tackling a serious issue. UGHHH

YOu might be interested in this:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/ae/s_642232.html

and for Smog this:

http://www.pscleanair.org/airq/basics/weather/smog.aspx

Smog from burning fossil fuels seems to worsen the chemical reactions in the atmosphere.

I wasn’t aware of any fixing or closing of the hole with the exception of CFC free products.

First, Saudi Arabia has been a ‘dove’ within OPEC, constantly arguing against raising prices the way Iran, Libya, and Venezuela have wanted. Had it gone along, we would have been at $400/bbl a long time ago. Check any history of OPEC on Saudi behavior. The Saudis do realize that too high a price will kill the oil market.

Here, the KSA is arguing that political actions by others will push the price of oil into that dead market zone. They aren’t arguing that you can’t change your pattern of consumption, but that nations should not change your pattern by making oil-powered conveniences too expensive, even if that’s your personal choice. If oil becomes too expensive due to market forces, e.g. scarcity, then people will make whatever choices they wish, and God bless them. But if you can’t buy it because political actions put it out of reach, then they believe they’re due compensation. They’ll let you make your argument about limited choice to those who actually did limit it.

John: so when the OPEC cartel gets together and manipulates supply artificially to jack up the price, would you say they should be compensating consumers for their political shenanigans?

We are no obligation to buy petroleum (or any product) for political, marketplace, or whatever reasons suits our fancy. As a consumer, I am damned if I am going to surrender my right to arbitrarily change my pattern of consumption because it affects the supplier’s or producer’s bottom line. That KSA has nothing else to sell and support its economy is not my problem.

I’m sure you know the saying about ‘good intentions’ or, perhaps, ‘unforeseen consequences’…