Comments on: Misk Lake Safe… for Now http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/ Informed comment and commentary about Saudi Arabia, reform, and its relations with the US Fri, 25 May 2012 21:12:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Sparky http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25631 Sparky Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:57:45 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25631 Thank you for the link about the sewage problem in the U.S. particularly N.Y. It is odd how people prioritize spending. It would seem to me that spending in this area is a big priority. Also punishing violators would be a big priority as well. If people don’t feel the consequences of their actions, they will keep repeating them. What upsets me mostly about the Jeddah problem is that there was an amount allotted for this project, but the money obviously fell a few inches too short of its expectations. If I were in America, I would be more of an activist especially in this area. “In October, the E.P.A. administrator, Lisa P. Jackson, said she was overhauling how the Clean Water Act is enforced.” Lack of oversight has been mentioned time and time again in violations of the law of all sorts. “The E.P.A. would rather look the other way than crack down on cities, since punishing municipalities can cause political problems,” said Craig Michaels of Riverkeeper, an environmental advocacy group. “But without enforcement and fines, this problem will never end.” I know that I sleep better at night knowing such groups exist and exert their efforts to make the environment a safer place. The article is interesting in that it mentions leaves blocking drains and I heard a comment from someone at the Saudi gazette I think saying someone had said a plastic bag had blocked a drain. I had a newspaper block a drain in my old house and flood the top of my roof. Now I am in a different home I go to the roof regularly to inspect it and make sure nothing is blocking the drains. I regularly sweep it to make sure it doesn’t get blocked with debris. You live and learn. At my last home, there was considerable water damage due to a blocked drain (water seeped into the walls) but I will not allow that to happen again. Thank you for the link about the sewage problem in the U.S. particularly N.Y. It is odd how people prioritize spending. It would seem to me that spending in this area is a big priority. Also punishing violators would be a big priority as well. If people don’t feel the consequences of their actions, they will keep repeating them. What upsets me mostly about the Jeddah problem is that there was an amount allotted for this project, but the money obviously fell a few inches too short of its expectations. If I were in America, I would be more of an activist especially in this area.

“In October, the E.P.A. administrator, Lisa P. Jackson, said she was overhauling how the Clean Water Act is enforced.” Lack of oversight has been mentioned time and time again in violations of the law of all sorts.

“The E.P.A. would rather look the other way than crack down on cities, since punishing municipalities can cause political problems,” said Craig Michaels of Riverkeeper, an environmental advocacy group. “But without enforcement and fines, this problem will never end.”

I know that I sleep better at night knowing such groups exist and exert their efforts to make the environment a safer place.

The article is interesting in that it mentions leaves blocking drains and I heard a comment from someone at the Saudi gazette I think saying someone had said a plastic bag had blocked a drain. I had a newspaper block a drain in my old house and flood the top of my roof. Now I am in a different home I go to the roof regularly to inspect it and make sure nothing is blocking the drains. I regularly sweep it to make sure it doesn’t get blocked with debris. You live and learn. At my last home, there was considerable water damage due to a blocked drain (water seeped into the walls) but I will not allow that to happen again.

]]> By: ratherdashing http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25630 ratherdashing Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:24:07 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25630 Recall that Gaza had a similar situation a few years ago. A sewage lake burst and the effluent killed some people. What an awful way to go. There was alot of blame to pass around. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6498835.stm SEWAGE FLOOD CAUSES GAZA DEATHS http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6500079.stm PICTURES Recall that Gaza had a similar situation a few years ago. A sewage lake burst and the effluent killed some people. What an awful way to go. There was alot of blame to pass around.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6498835.stm
SEWAGE FLOOD CAUSES GAZA DEATHS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6500079.stm
PICTURES

]]> By: Maha Noor Elahi http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25626 Maha Noor Elahi Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:24:27 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25626 " They don’t have water treatment plants???? what are they doing with their oil money??? That is a disaster waiting to happen on so many levels I can’t even imagine a failure." I couldn't have said it better, oby! Who is responsible for this disaster in such a so-called rich country like ours? Who are the people mostly affected by this? The rich or the poor? Absolutely disgusitng! I wish that the lake explodes and affects every street in Jeddah , so that they are forced to empty their pockets and rebuild Jeddah...and of course, when I say forced, I don't mean forced by the people or because of the people; i mean they will be forced to save their (image)LOL! ”
They don’t have water treatment plants???? what are they doing with their oil money??? That is a disaster waiting to happen on so many levels I can’t even imagine a failure.”

I couldn’t have said it better, oby!

Who is responsible for this disaster in such a so-called rich country like ours?
Who are the people mostly affected by this? The rich or the poor?

Absolutely disgusitng!

I wish that the lake explodes and affects every street in Jeddah , so that they are forced to empty their pockets and rebuild Jeddah…and of course, when I say forced, I don’t mean forced by the people or because of the people; i mean they will be forced to save their (image)LOL!

]]> By: John Burgess http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25623 John Burgess Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:56:19 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25623 Serendipitously, I came across <a href="http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006756.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> today. It seems that dealing with sewage is not just a Saudi problem. Serendipitously, I came across this today. It seems that dealing with sewage is not just a Saudi problem.

]]> By: Chiara http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25617 Chiara Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:17:18 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25617 Liquid sewage--an unusually bad option for overflowing. How much would be toxic, corrosive, and fetid before it started accumulating new attributes in its overflow path and overtime is mind boggling. Liquid sewage–an unusually bad option for overflowing. How much would be toxic, corrosive, and fetid before it started accumulating new attributes in its overflow path and overtime is mind boggling.

]]> By: Mohammed Raffiq http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25610 Mohammed Raffiq Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:48:04 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25610 Can anyone let us know how far is this lake from AlSafa District?? Can anyone let us know how far is this lake from AlSafa District??

]]> By: Sandy http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25608 Sandy Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:56:05 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25608 It is Misk IS Musk which is a sarcastic local name, that has stuck, because Musk is the most beautiful smell. (Mistika is gum). I don't know how safe that lake really is. There are cracks in the damn and I heard that they released some (I've heard ALOT) of the sewage east into the desert. I guess better that than having it run down onto the city. Oh. And there's apparently a good chance of rain this weekend. It is Misk IS Musk which is a sarcastic local name, that has stuck, because Musk is the most beautiful smell. (Mistika is gum).

I don’t know how safe that lake really is. There are cracks in the damn and I heard that they released some (I’ve heard ALOT) of the sewage east into the desert. I guess better that than having it run down onto the city. Oh. And there’s apparently a good chance of rain this weekend.

]]> By: Sparky http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25606 Sparky Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:22:02 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25606 Misk means "Gum" I think? IF someone knows please let me know. I thought some were calling it Musk. I would never ever live in Jeddah because of the pollution and infrastructure. I wanted to roll down the windows there while in the car and people were like, "WOE WOE don't do that...we don't want to smell that crap!" May I recommend Veolia Water! I know they have some work there with the desalination. They have a really good sewage treatment package too :-) I am sure it would fit into the oil rich budget. http://www.veoliawater.com/ Misk means “Gum” I think? IF someone knows please let me know. I thought some were calling it Musk. I would never ever live in Jeddah because of the pollution and infrastructure. I wanted to roll down the windows there while in the car and people were like, “WOE WOE don’t do that…we don’t want to smell that crap!”

May I recommend Veolia Water! I know they have some work there with the desalination. They have a really good sewage treatment package too :-) I am sure it would fit into the oil rich budget.

http://www.veoliawater.com/

]]> By: John Burgess http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25605 John Burgess Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:09:46 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25605 It's a 'lake' only because it has sewage in it. Otherwise, it was a dry depression. Sewage treatment is a developing industry in the KSA. Water treatment, on the other hand, is fairly well developed, particularly when it comes to desalination. It’s a ‘lake’ only because it has sewage in it. Otherwise, it was a dry depression. Sewage treatment is a developing industry in the KSA. Water treatment, on the other hand, is fairly well developed, particularly when it comes to desalination.

]]> By: oby http://xrdarabia.org/2009/12/01/misk-lake-safe-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25604 oby Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:37:13 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=9357#comment-25604 Oh My gosh...they dump raw sewage into a lake? Did I understand that correctly? They don't have water treatment plants???? what are they doing with their oil money??? That is a disaster waiting to happen on so many levels I can't even imagine a failure. Oh My gosh…they dump raw sewage into a lake? Did I understand that correctly? They don’t have water treatment plants???? what are they doing with their oil money??? That is a disaster waiting to happen on so many levels I can’t even imagine a failure.

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