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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/11/07/pointing-fingers/comment-page-1/#comment-25130</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@J
I do agree that I hope everyone takes an opportunity to learn what they need to from these tragic events.  As for your Bukhari recommendation- that is something I&#039;ve read plenty of over the years, and it is something that I read at my own discretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@J<br />
I do agree that I hope everyone takes an opportunity to learn what they need to from these tragic events.  As for your Bukhari recommendation- that is something I&#8217;ve read plenty of over the years, and it is something that I read at my own discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Kactuz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Kactuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,  the evnts of last week are past.  They were tragic and unnecessary.   A bigger issue is what we have learned - or if we have learned anything at all. When I say &quot;we&quot; I mean Muslims and non-Muslims. This will not be the last action of this type.  There will be more terror and worse. 

Will America put aside its political correctness? Will things change?  Will Muslims ask why hate and violence come so easily to Islam?  Will Muslims stop making excuses.   My guess is no, no, no and no.   

It is clear that Hasan was out of control, that the Army ignored the obvious. It is also clear that this was terror done in the name of Islam. Or do you think that Allahu Akbar was all about?. Read Bukhari, chapter 51, verse 530.  Here is the link:
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/059.htm
While you are at it, read the whole book.

John, I don&#039;t consider you &quot;an apologist for radical Islam&quot;.  You have tried to be fair.  If anything, your sin is being too timid, too understanding.  That is also a virtue, until a line has been crossed.  I am also not in your shoes and I don&#039;t know your circumstances.  

I think you have a great blog, and not because you live in an interesting part of the world but because you choose a wide variety of subject matter that interests me - not just religion, or a certain religion. Keep up the good work.

Krypto Kactuz, Knot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,  the evnts of last week are past.  They were tragic and unnecessary.   A bigger issue is what we have learned &#8211; or if we have learned anything at all. When I say &#8220;we&#8221; I mean Muslims and non-Muslims. This will not be the last action of this type.  There will be more terror and worse. </p>
<p>Will America put aside its political correctness? Will things change?  Will Muslims ask why hate and violence come so easily to Islam?  Will Muslims stop making excuses.   My guess is no, no, no and no.   </p>
<p>It is clear that Hasan was out of control, that the Army ignored the obvious. It is also clear that this was terror done in the name of Islam. Or do you think that Allahu Akbar was all about?. Read Bukhari, chapter 51, verse 530.  Here is the link:<br />
<a href="http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/059.htm" >http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/059.htm</a><br />
While you are at it, read the whole book.</p>
<p>John, I don&#8217;t consider you &#8220;an apologist for radical Islam&#8221;.  You have tried to be fair.  If anything, your sin is being too timid, too understanding.  That is also a virtue, until a line has been crossed.  I am also not in your shoes and I don&#8217;t know your circumstances.  </p>
<p>I think you have a great blog, and not because you live in an interesting part of the world but because you choose a wide variety of subject matter that interests me &#8211; not just religion, or a certain religion. Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Krypto Kactuz, Knot.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/11/07/pointing-fingers/comment-page-1/#comment-25102</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sandy on this. While there are suggestive bits of information now coming to light, they are only suggestive so far. That&#039;s if they&#039;re even true.

I am not an apologist for radical Islam; I&#039;ve had too many friends and colleague killed by radical and political Islam to allow that. What I am, though, is one that prefers to wait for the accumulation of the most information possible before coming to a conclusion. Here, so far, the information is leading me to conclude that a man deeply into his religion found himself in an impossibly conflicted mental situation. He tried to find a solution and the one he picked was just about the worst possible.

There&#039;s no question that this man&#039;s belief in Islam played a major role in his actions. Whether he was a &#039;crypto-jihadi&#039;, though, is far from proven. Rather, I see that line of thought as simply self-confirmation coming from the usual crypto-Islamophobes (and those not so crypto-). 

Interviews with Maj. Hasan should help clarify things. But of course there will be those who will immediately declare that whatever he says--if it doesn&#039;t confirm their prejudices--is just &lt;em&gt;taqqiya&lt;/em&gt;...

On your expertise on Islam: Maybe, maybe not. We don&#039;t have the evidence to support your assertion, but perhaps you are expert. One thing I learned in living in the Middle East was that you certainly didn&#039;t get the best information about any religion from the mouths of those not following that religion. That Muslims or Christians or members of any other religious group &#039;don&#039;t know what their religion preaches&#039; isn&#039;t very revelatory either. Most people do not know their doxologies inside and out.

Now being deep within a religion can blind one to the awkward aspects of that religion. That&#039;s human nature, not devious doings. We don&#039;t even have to be talking about religion to find that sort of behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sandy on this. While there are suggestive bits of information now coming to light, they are only suggestive so far. That&#8217;s if they&#8217;re even true.</p>
<p>I am not an apologist for radical Islam; I&#8217;ve had too many friends and colleague killed by radical and political Islam to allow that. What I am, though, is one that prefers to wait for the accumulation of the most information possible before coming to a conclusion. Here, so far, the information is leading me to conclude that a man deeply into his religion found himself in an impossibly conflicted mental situation. He tried to find a solution and the one he picked was just about the worst possible.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that this man&#8217;s belief in Islam played a major role in his actions. Whether he was a &#8216;crypto-jihadi&#8217;, though, is far from proven. Rather, I see that line of thought as simply self-confirmation coming from the usual crypto-Islamophobes (and those not so crypto-). </p>
<p>Interviews with Maj. Hasan should help clarify things. But of course there will be those who will immediately declare that whatever he says&#8211;if it doesn&#8217;t confirm their prejudices&#8211;is just <em>taqqiya</em>&#8230;</p>
<p>On your expertise on Islam: Maybe, maybe not. We don&#8217;t have the evidence to support your assertion, but perhaps you are expert. One thing I learned in living in the Middle East was that you certainly didn&#8217;t get the best information about any religion from the mouths of those not following that religion. That Muslims or Christians or members of any other religious group &#8216;don&#8217;t know what their religion preaches&#8217; isn&#8217;t very revelatory either. Most people do not know their doxologies inside and out.</p>
<p>Now being deep within a religion can blind one to the awkward aspects of that religion. That&#8217;s human nature, not devious doings. We don&#8217;t even have to be talking about religion to find that sort of behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kactuz
While I cannot conclude all that you seem able to, based on what is known about the Ft. Hood massacre- it certainly seems he left a trail of breadcrumbs that trouble was brewing, and that perhaps political correctness played a role in it being overlooked.  If true- then that is wrong- call a spade a spade- because letting it go doesn&#039;t benefit anyone, and causes a lot of damage.</description>
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While I cannot conclude all that you seem able to, based on what is known about the Ft. Hood massacre- it certainly seems he left a trail of breadcrumbs that trouble was brewing, and that perhaps political correctness played a role in it being overlooked.  If true- then that is wrong- call a spade a spade- because letting it go doesn&#8217;t benefit anyone, and causes a lot of damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kactuz-  &quot;Sandy, I think I know more about Islam than most people and that includes Muslims (except the Arabic – I’m too old to learn another language).&quot;

I know that&#039;s what you think.  And a person could &quot;memorize&quot; the Periodic Chart of elements and still know nothing about Chemistry.  And a person could &quot;memorize&quot; the constitution and know nothing about democracy. 

You&#039;ve memorized a lot of stuff- and you think you know what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kactuz-  &#8220;Sandy, I think I know more about Islam than most people and that includes Muslims (except the Arabic – I’m too old to learn another language).&#8221;</p>
<p>I know that&#8217;s what you think.  And a person could &#8220;memorize&#8221; the Periodic Chart of elements and still know nothing about Chemistry.  And a person could &#8220;memorize&#8221; the constitution and know nothing about democracy. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve memorized a lot of stuff- and you think you know what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Kactuz</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/11/07/pointing-fingers/comment-page-1/#comment-25097</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Kactuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,  I think I know more about Islam than most people and that includes Muslims (except the Arabic - I&#039;m too old to learn another language). 

Me..   or rather, You... This is hate? Is having on opinion &#039;hate&#039;?   Wouldn&#039;t it be better to explain why you think I am wrong instead of throwing a 10 cent word at me?  Of course it is easier because you don&#039;t have to think. Is this what they teach in schools today?  What happened to that &quot;Question everything&quot; of my youth. Boy I miss the 1960s. 

This horrible event at Ft Hood was jihad. It was a cold-blooded, premeditated, rationally planned murder. It was a Muslim doing 9:111 as mandated. Almost as much as Hasan, political correctness killed those people.  There were too many signs to ignore, too clear, too extreme, so much that one can only conclude that Army officials were afraid of the lawsuits should they dismiss this man. This was a man that gave a Powerpoint presentation in medical class about pouring burning oil (or metal, I don&#039;t remember which, but you get the idea!) down the throats of infidels. Is it just me or was these some very wrong going on in the Army? 

I may seem mean or evil or hateful or islamophobic or whatever.... but the issue is not me or my words.  The issue is an ideology that causes these things to happen, and causes people to bomb schools, buses, markets and weddings (to mention a few in the last few days). Things will not change because people are afraid to hurt Muslims&#039; feelings. They don&#039;t want to be accused of racism or who knows what. This will only make things worse.   Muslims need to hear the truth.  And they need to be condemned for the things they do, not for who they are.   Again I call your attention to how Muslims treat others where they dominate.  Will somebody please tell me why this is not an issue?  Do you think we ended segregation and apartheid by not condemning those ideologies and the people that suppoted them, actively and passively? Do you not think there were were white people in those societies who had never discriminated themselves but had to bear the stigma of their societies?  Yes, of course.

I check the news and the media and Muslims can only talk of a backlash.  I must have missed it, unless having an opinion is a backlash.  They tell us not to condemn others because of the actions of one man.  I agree.  I condemn people for what they do and do not do.  I condemn them for their silence and denial, for their consent to discrimination and lack of honesty.

This wall of silence around Islam will only multiply the sorrows that are to come. The willful decision to ignore the obvious will only add to the blood in the streets. Mark my words, bad times are coming.

So what happens when the next Muslim goes on a rampage?  What if it is another Beslin?   I am sure Muslims will pull out their excuse sheet, the same one used here, and start reading from item 1, again.

I find these things disturbing. It is almost like things are set and controlled by forces beyond us, beyond reason. Passion, pride and egos have displaced common sense. People follow ideas and ideologies blindly, with little thought about tomorrow or consequences. People put feelings above flesh and blood. This is not good for anybody, Muslims or infidel. Humanity is a train wreck, waiting to happen.

Boy, am I a Jeremiah or what!

Kactuz (cactacious oldus and tiredus)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,  I think I know more about Islam than most people and that includes Muslims (except the Arabic &#8211; I&#8217;m too old to learn another language). </p>
<p>Me..   or rather, You&#8230; This is hate? Is having on opinion &#8216;hate&#8217;?   Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to explain why you think I am wrong instead of throwing a 10 cent word at me?  Of course it is easier because you don&#8217;t have to think. Is this what they teach in schools today?  What happened to that &#8220;Question everything&#8221; of my youth. Boy I miss the 1960s. </p>
<p>This horrible event at Ft Hood was jihad. It was a cold-blooded, premeditated, rationally planned murder. It was a Muslim doing 9:111 as mandated. Almost as much as Hasan, political correctness killed those people.  There were too many signs to ignore, too clear, too extreme, so much that one can only conclude that Army officials were afraid of the lawsuits should they dismiss this man. This was a man that gave a Powerpoint presentation in medical class about pouring burning oil (or metal, I don&#8217;t remember which, but you get the idea!) down the throats of infidels. Is it just me or was these some very wrong going on in the Army? </p>
<p>I may seem mean or evil or hateful or islamophobic or whatever&#8230;. but the issue is not me or my words.  The issue is an ideology that causes these things to happen, and causes people to bomb schools, buses, markets and weddings (to mention a few in the last few days). Things will not change because people are afraid to hurt Muslims&#8217; feelings. They don&#8217;t want to be accused of racism or who knows what. This will only make things worse.   Muslims need to hear the truth.  And they need to be condemned for the things they do, not for who they are.   Again I call your attention to how Muslims treat others where they dominate.  Will somebody please tell me why this is not an issue?  Do you think we ended segregation and apartheid by not condemning those ideologies and the people that suppoted them, actively and passively? Do you not think there were were white people in those societies who had never discriminated themselves but had to bear the stigma of their societies?  Yes, of course.</p>
<p>I check the news and the media and Muslims can only talk of a backlash.  I must have missed it, unless having an opinion is a backlash.  They tell us not to condemn others because of the actions of one man.  I agree.  I condemn people for what they do and do not do.  I condemn them for their silence and denial, for their consent to discrimination and lack of honesty.</p>
<p>This wall of silence around Islam will only multiply the sorrows that are to come. The willful decision to ignore the obvious will only add to the blood in the streets. Mark my words, bad times are coming.</p>
<p>So what happens when the next Muslim goes on a rampage?  What if it is another Beslin?   I am sure Muslims will pull out their excuse sheet, the same one used here, and start reading from item 1, again.</p>
<p>I find these things disturbing. It is almost like things are set and controlled by forces beyond us, beyond reason. Passion, pride and egos have displaced common sense. People follow ideas and ideologies blindly, with little thought about tomorrow or consequences. People put feelings above flesh and blood. This is not good for anybody, Muslims or infidel. Humanity is a train wreck, waiting to happen.</p>
<p>Boy, am I a Jeremiah or what!</p>
<p>Kactuz (cactacious oldus and tiredus)</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparky--LOL :) their their their their their their their their their their LOL :)
Doctorate including English lit and linguistics (prefer the Continentals!)
F-bomb away! 

Solomon2--&quot;...does it not seem just that he end his days not as a man but as a withered marshmallow?&quot;
Since there is no evidence his motive was seeking virgins in jannah, there is no justification for punishing him on that account. The normal punishment for murder in Western countries, when one is found to be in one&#039;s right mind at the time of the murder, is life imprisonment, with/without parole--not capital punishment as in the US, and not quadriplegia with no erectile function. 
There is also no evidence that, as a psychiatrist, his words are any more suspect than anyone else&#039;s; that is a myth and a popular stereotype. Psychiatry is a specialty within medicine and doesn&#039;t involve being a psychic (as some seem to think) or a mind-control expert. 

Since we seem to be in Abrahamic territory:
O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. (Psalm 94)
Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (Romans 12:19)
Yea, and without these might they have fallen down with one blast, being persecuted of vengeance, and scattered abroad through the breath of thy power: but thou hast ordered all things in measure and number and weight. (The Wisdom of Solomon--Apocrypha--11:20)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparky&#8211;LOL <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  their their their their their their their their their their LOL <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Doctorate including English lit and linguistics (prefer the Continentals!)<br />
F-bomb away! </p>
<p>Solomon2&#8211;&#8221;&#8230;does it not seem just that he end his days not as a man but as a withered marshmallow?&#8221;<br />
Since there is no evidence his motive was seeking virgins in jannah, there is no justification for punishing him on that account. The normal punishment for murder in Western countries, when one is found to be in one&#8217;s right mind at the time of the murder, is life imprisonment, with/without parole&#8211;not capital punishment as in the US, and not quadriplegia with no erectile function.<br />
There is also no evidence that, as a psychiatrist, his words are any more suspect than anyone else&#8217;s; that is a myth and a popular stereotype. Psychiatry is a specialty within medicine and doesn&#8217;t involve being a psychic (as some seem to think) or a mind-control expert. </p>
<p>Since we seem to be in Abrahamic territory:<br />
O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. (Psalm 94)<br />
Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (Romans 12:19)<br />
Yea, and without these might they have fallen down with one blast, being persecuted of vengeance, and scattered abroad through the breath of thy power: but thou hast ordered all things in measure and number and weight. (The Wisdom of Solomon&#8211;Apocrypha&#8211;11:20)</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiara, what, exactly, is the &quot;vengeance&quot; part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiara, what, exactly, is the &#8220;vengeance&#8221; part?</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m proud to be an American and drop F-bombs at will. That does not make me in any fashion inferior. HAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m proud to be an American and drop F-bombs at will. That does not make me in any fashion inferior. HAH!</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just enjoy rubbing people the wrong way and trust me nothing is lost. Your interest in people&#039;s writing makes me think you might have a second major in English or linguistics. 

Ruining &quot;there&quot; or &quot;their&quot;?

Anyways I don&#039;t care :-)I come across the way I wanna come across and you can come across the way you want to and so on and so forth. This is the freedom I like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just enjoy rubbing people the wrong way and trust me nothing is lost. Your interest in people&#8217;s writing makes me think you might have a second major in English or linguistics. </p>
<p>Ruining &#8220;there&#8221; or &#8220;their&#8221;?</p>
<p>Anyways I don&#8217;t care <img src='http://xrdarabia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I come across the way I wanna come across and you can come across the way you want to and so on and so forth. This is the freedom I like.</p>
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