Comments on: ‘Honor Killer’ to Stand Trial http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/ Informed comment and commentary about Saudi Arabia, reform, and its relations with the US Fri, 25 May 2012 21:12:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Coming to Grips with ‘Honor Killings’ | Crossroads Arabia http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-21896 Coming to Grips with ‘Honor Killings’ | Crossroads Arabia Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:04:58 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=8071#comment-21896 [...] ‘Honor Killer’ to Stand Trial [...] [...] ‘Honor Killer’ to Stand Trial [...]

]]> By: John Burgess http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-21873 John Burgess Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:30:51 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=8071#comment-21873 No, it's unlikely that the father is going to demand the death penalty. The thought of a reverse Reconciliation Committee had crossed my mind, too, but it's as you suggest. Still, the facts that the guy is charged and it was reported are something new, at least to this observer. No, it’s unlikely that the father is going to demand the death penalty. The thought of a reverse Reconciliation Committee had crossed my mind, too, but it’s as you suggest.

Still, the facts that the guy is charged and it was reported are something new, at least to this observer.

]]> By: anonymous http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-21871 anonymous Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:00:46 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=8071#comment-21871 Can't happen. Murder is a crime specifically addressed in the Qur'an. If the family (ie the alpha male of the family) forgives the killer, even the king cannot prescribe capital punishment. (This differs from drug trafficking, which has no prescribed punishment in the Qur'an, therefore the state may assign death for that crime.) What the Saudi government can do is, in the public's right, lock this guy up for the rest of his life. I suppose they could use a Reconciliation Commission to bribe the family NOT to forgive the killer. If they can bribe families to forgive I suppose they can bribe families not to forgive. (They do this when the condemned person is a political issue, like a foreign national who has garnered sympathy back home for his or her plight). That's basically what blood money is: a bribe, a price tag for justice. It's terribly un-just, but when in Rome. . . The ball is in the father's court, but don't expect deep coverage of this from the press in Saudi Arabia. Can’t happen. Murder is a crime specifically addressed in the Qur’an. If the family (ie the alpha male of the family) forgives the killer, even the king cannot prescribe capital punishment. (This differs from drug trafficking, which has no prescribed punishment in the Qur’an, therefore the state may assign death for that crime.) What the Saudi government can do is, in the public’s right, lock this guy up for the rest of his life. I suppose they could use a Reconciliation Commission to bribe the family NOT to forgive the killer. If they can bribe families to forgive I suppose they can bribe families not to forgive. (They do this when the condemned person is a political issue, like a foreign national who has garnered sympathy back home for his or her plight). That’s basically what blood money is: a bribe, a price tag for justice. It’s terribly un-just, but when in Rome. . .

The ball is in the father’s court, but don’t expect deep coverage of this from the press in Saudi Arabia.

]]> By: DW http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-21857 DW Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:48:24 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=8071#comment-21857 Maybe sending this guy to beheading in an express fashion would send a message that is 'genuine' to vile elements like him. Sure the family have a right to forgive the son.. but there is still the "Ameer Al Belad"(The King, Ruler of the Land) saying in the matter. Will it Benefit the family? no, not at all. But there are times were the law shouldn't compramise to send a message that it will not hand these matters to the family. Maybe sending this guy to beheading in an express fashion would send a message that is ‘genuine’ to vile elements like him.

Sure the family have a right to forgive the son.. but there is still the “Ameer Al Belad”(The King, Ruler of the Land) saying in the matter. Will it Benefit the family? no, not at all. But there are times were the law shouldn’t compramise to send a message that it will not hand these matters to the family.

]]> By: anonymous http://xrdarabia.org/2009/07/08/honor-killer-to-stand-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-21856 anonymous Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:23:22 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=8071#comment-21856 I predict that the father forgives the son and he gets a terribly short prison sentence for violating the public right, ten years later reduced to five or some such travesty. I'm against the death penalty, but if the choice is the man gets some extremely short prison sentence then I hope the father loved those two girls enough to let this sicko (presuming he's guilty, of course) get his head whacked off. Ideally, IMO, he gets life in a Saudi prison if found guilty of murdering two human beings in cold blood. After reading this, a Muslim friend of mine joked that the only way to eradicate the evil of murdering women for harming their male relatives' pride is to wipe out all the people who believe this utter nonsense with DDT. A little harsh, I know (he said it not me), but it shows that a lot of Muslims really feel that this sense that a woman's conduct is directly linked to family pride is a form of evil in this world. I predict that the father forgives the son and he gets a terribly short prison sentence for violating the public right, ten years later reduced to five or some such travesty.

I’m against the death penalty, but if the choice is the man gets some extremely short prison sentence then I hope the father loved those two girls enough to let this sicko (presuming he’s guilty, of course) get his head whacked off.

Ideally, IMO, he gets life in a Saudi prison if found guilty of murdering two human beings in cold blood.

After reading this, a Muslim friend of mine joked that the only way to eradicate the evil of murdering women for harming their male relatives’ pride is to wipe out all the people who believe this utter nonsense with DDT.

A little harsh, I know (he said it not me), but it shows that a lot of Muslims really feel that this sense that a woman’s conduct is directly linked to family pride is a form of evil in this world.

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