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		<title>By: Israel Bombs Gaza - Hundreds Dead - Page 30 - Pakistan Defence Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Bombs Gaza - Hundreds Dead - Page 30 - Pakistan Defence Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such a &quot;blatant&quot; war crime. By contrast, Israel&#039;s actions are more complex&quot;  News Is Not Something to Be Made Up: Asharq Alawsat Editor in Chief Tariq Alhomayed &quot;points out that Hamas politicians make public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] such a &quot;blatant&quot; war crime. By contrast, Israel&#8217;s actions are more complex&quot;  News Is Not Something to Be Made Up: Asharq Alawsat Editor in Chief Tariq Alhomayed &quot;points out that Hamas politicians make public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found some interesting Nazi propaganda that targeted children...at the following link.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fuchs.htm

It seems like the Nazis were very threatened and jealous of the Jewish people. Propaganda vilifies groups of people and has disastrous effects.  

Omar I will take the time to look at the brotherhood, but I need to make sure that hatred or vilification of another group is not an occupying belief.

Also is the website completed? I clicked on a few links and it said, &quot;service unavailable&quot; for example &quot;MB and the West&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found some interesting Nazi propaganda that targeted children&#8230;at the following link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fuchs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fuchs.htm</a></p>
<p>It seems like the Nazis were very threatened and jealous of the Jewish people. Propaganda vilifies groups of people and has disastrous effects.  </p>
<p>Omar I will take the time to look at the brotherhood, but I need to make sure that hatred or vilification of another group is not an occupying belief.</p>
<p>Also is the website completed? I clicked on a few links and it said, &#8220;service unavailable&#8221; for example &#8220;MB and the West&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello I would like to invite you to visit our website : http://www.ikhwanweb.com/

IKhwanweb is the Muslim Brotherhood&quot;s only official English web site. The Main office is located in London, although Ikhwanweb has correspondents in most countries. Our staff is exclusively made of volunteers and stretched over the five continents. 
The Muslim Brotherhood opinions and views can be found under the sections of MB statements and MB opinions, in addition to the Editorial Message. 
Items posted under &quot;other views&quot; are usually different from these of the Muslim Brotherhood. 
Ikhwanweb does not censor any articles or comments but has the right only to remove any inappropriate words that defy public taste
Ikhwanweb is not a news website, although we report news that matter to the Muslim Brotherhood&quot;s cause. Our main misson is to present the Muslim Brotherhood vision right from the source and rebut misonceptions about the movement in western societies. We value debate on the issues and we welcome constructive criticism.

to  help inform you about your subject matter,questions

If you have any addition questions you can email us at :
Ikhwanweb2010@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello I would like to invite you to visit our website : <a href="http://www.ikhwanweb.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikhwanweb.com/</a></p>
<p>IKhwanweb is the Muslim Brotherhood&#8221;s only official English web site. The Main office is located in London, although Ikhwanweb has correspondents in most countries. Our staff is exclusively made of volunteers and stretched over the five continents.<br />
The Muslim Brotherhood opinions and views can be found under the sections of MB statements and MB opinions, in addition to the Editorial Message.<br />
Items posted under &#8220;other views&#8221; are usually different from these of the Muslim Brotherhood.<br />
Ikhwanweb does not censor any articles or comments but has the right only to remove any inappropriate words that defy public taste<br />
Ikhwanweb is not a news website, although we report news that matter to the Muslim Brotherhood&#8221;s cause. Our main misson is to present the Muslim Brotherhood vision right from the source and rebut misonceptions about the movement in western societies. We value debate on the issues and we welcome constructive criticism.</p>
<p>to  help inform you about your subject matter,questions</p>
<p>If you have any addition questions you can email us at :<br />
<a href="mailto:Ikhwanweb2010@gmail.com">Ikhwanweb2010@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Islam And The West</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/30/news-is-not-something-to-be-made-up/comment-page-1/#comment-18596</link>
		<dc:creator>Islam And The West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Islam And The West Accelerated Links...&lt;/strong&gt;

Crossroads Arabia with the laundering of the news....</description>
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<p>Crossroads Arabia with the laundering of the news&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: chucho</title>
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		<dc:creator>chucho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, when I pose this point to a Orthodox Muslim British friend, he immediately refers to the toppling of the statue of Saddam as a clear example of how this flimflammery occurs in the US media, too. There are actually lots of examples, like the fake news spots produced by the government that the networks ran as &quot;authentic&quot; news segments. I guess it goes back to the need for people to be intelligent, educated and curious enough to separate the wheat form the chafe.

My Orthodox colleague also points out that while clearly the Arab media can play tricks, the numbers don&#039;t lie: 1,300 dead Palestinians, a good portion of the children. So if dead babies show up on the covers of the Arab press all the time, there is some truth behind this conscious (and cheap) appeal to the passionate sympathy for babies. 

He also laughs and asks: &quot;What do you expect from Hamas.&quot; The implication being that they&#039;re not extremely sophisticated folks, so their propaganda will reflect that. They don&#039;t care if educated people in the West see though their efforts -- what matters is the effect it has on Arab St.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, when I pose this point to a Orthodox Muslim British friend, he immediately refers to the toppling of the statue of Saddam as a clear example of how this flimflammery occurs in the US media, too. There are actually lots of examples, like the fake news spots produced by the government that the networks ran as &#8220;authentic&#8221; news segments. I guess it goes back to the need for people to be intelligent, educated and curious enough to separate the wheat form the chafe.</p>
<p>My Orthodox colleague also points out that while clearly the Arab media can play tricks, the numbers don&#8217;t lie: 1,300 dead Palestinians, a good portion of the children. So if dead babies show up on the covers of the Arab press all the time, there is some truth behind this conscious (and cheap) appeal to the passionate sympathy for babies. </p>
<p>He also laughs and asks: &#8220;What do you expect from Hamas.&#8221; The implication being that they&#8217;re not extremely sophisticated folks, so their propaganda will reflect that. They don&#8217;t care if educated people in the West see though their efforts &#8212; what matters is the effect it has on Arab St.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comments are all correct. When the abhorrent is faked, it&#039;s just too easy to ignore real instances. The story of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html&quot;&gt;&#039;The Boy Who Cried, &quot;Wolf!&quot;&#039;&lt;/a&gt; stands as the exemplar. That story is credited to Aesop ((620-560 BCE). As it remains apt today, I suspect we can conclude that he&#039;s talking about the human condition, not any particular political group of humans.

When it was hard to fake a photograph, photographs could be trusted, more or less. Now, it&#039;s so easy to create a fake that photos need watermarks or other distinguishing features to offer somewhat of a guarantee of their authenticity. Words, as I said, are so much easier to fake, to misrepresent, to use to lie. It&#039;s a problem we need to be concerned about. It&#039;s a greater problem when they are used to mobilize naive masses toward some political action. All it takes is a touch of plausibility---and that is certainly established when an educational system demonizes any other group or country---and the flames are lit and fanned. 

Honest education, realistic assessments of other peoples&#039; goal and ambitions, the ability to think critically about information that is thrust in your face... all of these are necessary for a civil government and civil society.

In my view, the worst possible form of government is anarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comments are all correct. When the abhorrent is faked, it&#8217;s just too easy to ignore real instances. The story of <a href="http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html">&#8216;The Boy Who Cried, &#8220;Wolf!&#8221;&#8216;</a> stands as the exemplar. That story is credited to Aesop ((620-560 BCE). As it remains apt today, I suspect we can conclude that he&#8217;s talking about the human condition, not any particular political group of humans.</p>
<p>When it was hard to fake a photograph, photographs could be trusted, more or less. Now, it&#8217;s so easy to create a fake that photos need watermarks or other distinguishing features to offer somewhat of a guarantee of their authenticity. Words, as I said, are so much easier to fake, to misrepresent, to use to lie. It&#8217;s a problem we need to be concerned about. It&#8217;s a greater problem when they are used to mobilize naive masses toward some political action. All it takes is a touch of plausibility&#8212;and that is certainly established when an educational system demonizes any other group or country&#8212;and the flames are lit and fanned. </p>
<p>Honest education, realistic assessments of other peoples&#8217; goal and ambitions, the ability to think critically about information that is thrust in your face&#8230; all of these are necessary for a civil government and civil society.</p>
<p>In my view, the worst possible form of government is anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: chucho</title>
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		<dc:creator>chucho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to read that editorial. Thanks. This is a maddening issue. I&#039;ve spoken to editors who are unapologetic about engaging in these lies. They view it as a propaganda war; an counterbalance to a pro-Israel bias in the Western media. But my argument is that lying and engaging in conscious (and frankly, kind of primitive and infantile) misrepresentations of the truth does more harm than good. If the Gaza cause is indeed just, then why do they need to engage in these manipulations? My answer is because in fact both sides are wrong, but neither wants to admit it. Israel takes a far more mature (and arrogant) approach. The Arab side seems to be engaged in children&#039;s games, and tricks that are easily exposed, thus undermining their legitimate issues. Every time something like this is exposed, thousands of Westerners roll their eyes and say &quot;it just goes to show that the Arab are lying and exaggerating their misery.&quot; I argue that these poor attempts at propaganda (coupled with superlatives and words like &quot;Zionist terrorists&quot; and &quot;Israeli genocide&quot;) is harmful to the Palestinians. The genocide word bothers me a lot, too, considering that the same people getting hysterical about the &quot;genocide&quot; of the Palestinians don&#039;t seem to care at all about the 400,000 Sudanese in Darfur who might actually be victims of genocide. They don&#039;t care about Darfur as much because racism against Africans is endemic in much of the Arab world and becasue Al-Bashir is viewed as a friend. But if the Israeli&#039;s kill 1,300 Palestinians going after Hamas, which chooses to fight in dense urban zones, then that&#039;s &quot;genocide.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to read that editorial. Thanks. This is a maddening issue. I&#8217;ve spoken to editors who are unapologetic about engaging in these lies. They view it as a propaganda war; an counterbalance to a pro-Israel bias in the Western media. But my argument is that lying and engaging in conscious (and frankly, kind of primitive and infantile) misrepresentations of the truth does more harm than good. If the Gaza cause is indeed just, then why do they need to engage in these manipulations? My answer is because in fact both sides are wrong, but neither wants to admit it. Israel takes a far more mature (and arrogant) approach. The Arab side seems to be engaged in children&#8217;s games, and tricks that are easily exposed, thus undermining their legitimate issues. Every time something like this is exposed, thousands of Westerners roll their eyes and say &#8220;it just goes to show that the Arab are lying and exaggerating their misery.&#8221; I argue that these poor attempts at propaganda (coupled with superlatives and words like &#8220;Zionist terrorists&#8221; and &#8220;Israeli genocide&#8221;) is harmful to the Palestinians. The genocide word bothers me a lot, too, considering that the same people getting hysterical about the &#8220;genocide&#8221; of the Palestinians don&#8217;t seem to care at all about the 400,000 Sudanese in Darfur who might actually be victims of genocide. They don&#8217;t care about Darfur as much because racism against Africans is endemic in much of the Arab world and becasue Al-Bashir is viewed as a friend. But if the Israeli&#8217;s kill 1,300 Palestinians going after Hamas, which chooses to fight in dense urban zones, then that&#8217;s &#8220;genocide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ratherdashing</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratherdashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More silly Iranian Fauxtography

http://digg.funniestclip.com/iran_photoshop/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More silly Iranian Fauxtography</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.funniestclip.com/iran_photoshop/" rel="nofollow">http://digg.funniestclip.com/iran_photoshop/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I personally do not appreciate having my emotions toyed with regardless of what side it comes from.&lt;/i&gt;

Years ago when I first started hanging out at blogs, I proved to the satisfaction of one Frenchman that the article he read that made him hate the U.S. was bogus, simply because it was clearly labeled &quot;satire&quot; and he missed that.  He agreed but pointed out, puzzled,  that even though he knew it was false, the hate the article induced remained.  If that is the effect of an accidental manipulation, how much more effective is a deliberate one!

For too many writers it is the emotional manipulation that is important, not the truth. When caught, they respond that they are &lt;b&gt;advocates&lt;/b&gt; and the precise truth and context is not so important. It can be very difficult to discern such advocates from the reporters, and by no means does everyone on the receiving end wish to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I personally do not appreciate having my emotions toyed with regardless of what side it comes from.</i></p>
<p>Years ago when I first started hanging out at blogs, I proved to the satisfaction of one Frenchman that the article he read that made him hate the U.S. was bogus, simply because it was clearly labeled &#8220;satire&#8221; and he missed that.  He agreed but pointed out, puzzled,  that even though he knew it was false, the hate the article induced remained.  If that is the effect of an accidental manipulation, how much more effective is a deliberate one!</p>
<p>For too many writers it is the emotional manipulation that is important, not the truth. When caught, they respond that they are <b>advocates</b> and the precise truth and context is not so important. It can be very difficult to discern such advocates from the reporters, and by no means does everyone on the receiving end wish to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the integrity of major newspapers and wire services has been seriously compromised by a lack of objective fact-checking. Perhaps it&#039;s due to budget cuts leading to staffing cuts, but the damage is very serious. In the US, the media holds about as much public trust as the US Congress, which rated even below Bush!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the integrity of major newspapers and wire services has been seriously compromised by a lack of objective fact-checking. Perhaps it&#8217;s due to budget cuts leading to staffing cuts, but the damage is very serious. In the US, the media holds about as much public trust as the US Congress, which rated even below Bush!</p>
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