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	<title>Comments on: Prince Turki Al-Faisal on US-Saudi Relations</title>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/26/prince-turki-al-faisal-on-us-saudi-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-32592</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supporters of Israel seem to be missing something very important. . . . integrity and morality!  All you can think of is money and material things.  Israel is governed by a bunch of thugs and they are not Jewish, they are atheist, pretending to be Jewish.  It is all about taking what doesn&#039;t belong to them and not valuing life except their own.  I think people all over the world are becoming aware of the ugly truth about Israel.  

Soon, the so-called Israelis will be driven out of Palestine! I will cheer along with the rest of the world.

Soon we will see the war criminals at the Hague as justice prevails, along with all those who supported this dark Cabal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supporters of Israel seem to be missing something very important. . . . integrity and morality!  All you can think of is money and material things.  Israel is governed by a bunch of thugs and they are not Jewish, they are atheist, pretending to be Jewish.  It is all about taking what doesn&#8217;t belong to them and not valuing life except their own.  I think people all over the world are becoming aware of the ugly truth about Israel.  </p>
<p>Soon, the so-called Israelis will be driven out of Palestine! I will cheer along with the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Soon we will see the war criminals at the Hague as justice prevails, along with all those who supported this dark Cabal.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Israel-Palestine American problem? Why cant America unilaterally support Israel? If Saudi Arabia is loosing pateince, let it loose. What does Saudi Arabia control? Nothing! As far as the oil goes, suppliers and consumers have equal buying power. America needs oil and so is Saudi Arabia that needs dollars. So America is in no way dependent on Saudi. American economy is much broader and deeper. Asia with 4 billion people will be the economic centre and America just has to do align its commercial interests towards Asia especially India and China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Israel-Palestine American problem? Why cant America unilaterally support Israel? If Saudi Arabia is loosing pateince, let it loose. What does Saudi Arabia control? Nothing! As far as the oil goes, suppliers and consumers have equal buying power. America needs oil and so is Saudi Arabia that needs dollars. So America is in no way dependent on Saudi. American economy is much broader and deeper. Asia with 4 billion people will be the economic centre and America just has to do align its commercial interests towards Asia especially India and China.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/26/prince-turki-al-faisal-on-us-saudi-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-30861</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 02:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was new, news, because I had not heard it before.  Then I noticed the dates on the comments, Jan. 2009!  Nothing has happened yet, the massacres are still going on as before.  My hope was just dashed. Just a lot of royal talk I guess.  Maybe you could get that going again cause it really sounded great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was new, news, because I had not heard it before.  Then I noticed the dates on the comments, Jan. 2009!  Nothing has happened yet, the massacres are still going on as before.  My hope was just dashed. Just a lot of royal talk I guess.  Maybe you could get that going again cause it really sounded great!</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/26/prince-turki-al-faisal-on-us-saudi-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-30860</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 02:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This gives me so much more respect for the Arab world, Muslims and hope for the Palestinians and others being persecuted by Israel and US.  But, what took you so long? I just always thought you didn&#039;t care!
Thank You, now I think we will soon see things turn around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This gives me so much more respect for the Arab world, Muslims and hope for the Palestinians and others being persecuted by Israel and US.  But, what took you so long? I just always thought you didn&#8217;t care!<br />
Thank You, now I think we will soon see things turn around.</p>
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		<title>By: Prince Turki Al-Faisal on US-Saudi Relations &#171; Therearenosunglasses&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prince Turki Al-Faisal on US-Saudi Relations &#171; Therearenosunglasses&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/26/prince-turki-al-faisal-on-us-saudi-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-18554</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Any Arab leader who tried to say, “Listen, the Israelis have a point here,” should know where the exits are.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed.  I note that &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129/wl_mideast_afp/davosmideastconflictgazadebateturkey_20090129193635;_ylt=AhPJ1wQ4crDS9gq1qxxOrFsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZXAzNWluBHBvcwM0MgRzZWMDeW4tci1iLWxlZnQEc2xrA2V2LXR1cmtpc2hwbQ--&quot;&gt;the Turkish PM just walked out&lt;/a&gt; of a Davos meeting rather than give a substantive response to Shimon Peres&#039; point that he would have done the same to Gaza if rockets had been falling on Istanbul.  For once the moderator, Washington Post journalist David Ignatius, &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129/wl_mideast_afp/davosmideastconflictgazadebateturkey_20090129193635;_ylt=AhPJ1wQ4crDS9gq1qxxOrFsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZXAzNWluBHBvcwM0MgRzZWMDeW4tci1iLWxlZnQEc2xrA2V2LXR1cmtpc2hwbQ--&quot;&gt;cut off&lt;/a&gt; Erdgan&#039;s digression, what could Mr. Erdogan say?  If he had said &quot;no&quot; he would be inviting Turkey&#039;s enemies (i.e., separatist Kurds) to attack, and if he had said &quot;yes&quot; he would be accused of awarding moral authority to Israel - something that is treated by many as a crime in and of itself.  

Truly, most peoples in the Middle East are currently poorly prepared to abandon their damaging bigotries. Such moral preparation comes from education, and who, exactly, is responsible for that?  The media?  The government?  Israel?  The U.S.?  Rabbis?  Imams?  The U.N.?  

All organized education is a process of deliberate instruction, and teaching requires both funding and discretion.  I would guess that this is the area government leaders can reform most easily without worrying about &quot;where the exits are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any Arab leader who tried to say, “Listen, the Israelis have a point here,” should know where the exits are.</i></p>
<p>Indeed.  I note that <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129/wl_mideast_afp/davosmideastconflictgazadebateturkey_20090129193635;_ylt=AhPJ1wQ4crDS9gq1qxxOrFsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZXAzNWluBHBvcwM0MgRzZWMDeW4tci1iLWxlZnQEc2xrA2V2LXR1cmtpc2hwbQ--">the Turkish PM just walked out</a> of a Davos meeting rather than give a substantive response to Shimon Peres&#8217; point that he would have done the same to Gaza if rockets had been falling on Istanbul.  For once the moderator, Washington Post journalist David Ignatius, <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129/wl_mideast_afp/davosmideastconflictgazadebateturkey_20090129193635;_ylt=AhPJ1wQ4crDS9gq1qxxOrFsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZXAzNWluBHBvcwM0MgRzZWMDeW4tci1iLWxlZnQEc2xrA2V2LXR1cmtpc2hwbQ--">cut off</a> Erdgan&#8217;s digression, what could Mr. Erdogan say?  If he had said &#8220;no&#8221; he would be inviting Turkey&#8217;s enemies (i.e., separatist Kurds) to attack, and if he had said &#8220;yes&#8221; he would be accused of awarding moral authority to Israel &#8211; something that is treated by many as a crime in and of itself.  </p>
<p>Truly, most peoples in the Middle East are currently poorly prepared to abandon their damaging bigotries. Such moral preparation comes from education, and who, exactly, is responsible for that?  The media?  The government?  Israel?  The U.S.?  Rabbis?  Imams?  The U.N.?  </p>
<p>All organized education is a process of deliberate instruction, and teaching requires both funding and discretion.  I would guess that this is the area government leaders can reform most easily without worrying about &#8220;where the exits are.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2009/01/26/prince-turki-al-faisal-on-us-saudi-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-18549</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Gaza situation works to hinder efforts to divert the stream. It&#039;s hard for any Arab government to get cozy with Israel, on any level, when all the common people see are dead children. Even those states that had taken half-way steps, like Mauritania and Qatar, have had to take a step backwards. Right now, any Arab leader who tried to say, &quot;Listen, the Israelis have a point here,&quot; should know where the exits are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Gaza situation works to hinder efforts to divert the stream. It&#8217;s hard for any Arab government to get cozy with Israel, on any level, when all the common people see are dead children. Even those states that had taken half-way steps, like Mauritania and Qatar, have had to take a step backwards. Right now, any Arab leader who tried to say, &#8220;Listen, the Israelis have a point here,&#8221; should know where the exits are.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps.  I&#039;m not sure there would have been a successful post-WWII Germany without &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenauer,_Konrad#Post_World_War_II_and_the_founding_of_the_CDU&quot;&gt;Konrad Adenauer&lt;/a&gt;.  It is not a mark of great leadership to pride oneself on restraining the populace from carrying out mob violence - Turki&#039;s letter implies that Saudi Arabia&#039;s current leadership considers that its role is &quot;to prevent its citizens from joining the worldwide revolt against Israel&quot; - as much as it is to persuade them to choose a different course as more beneficial to their own and their community&#039;s interests.  Adenauer did not pride himself on restraining a defeated Nazi Germany, but on &lt;i&gt;transforming&lt;/i&gt; his country into the peace-loving democracy of the most productive people on the planet.

For the collective energies of a people are like the waters of a river: they flow from many sources into a powerful stream.  Damming the flow may work temporarily, yet ultimately either the dam will burst into a destructive flood, or its waters will be diverted for constructive purposes.  By choosing the former instead of the latter, hasn&#039;t Prince Turki chosen the course of ultimate failure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps.  I&#8217;m not sure there would have been a successful post-WWII Germany without <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenauer,_Konrad#Post_World_War_II_and_the_founding_of_the_CDU">Konrad Adenauer</a>.  It is not a mark of great leadership to pride oneself on restraining the populace from carrying out mob violence &#8211; Turki&#8217;s letter implies that Saudi Arabia&#8217;s current leadership considers that its role is &#8220;to prevent its citizens from joining the worldwide revolt against Israel&#8221; &#8211; as much as it is to persuade them to choose a different course as more beneficial to their own and their community&#8217;s interests.  Adenauer did not pride himself on restraining a defeated Nazi Germany, but on <i>transforming</i> his country into the peace-loving democracy of the most productive people on the planet.</p>
<p>For the collective energies of a people are like the waters of a river: they flow from many sources into a powerful stream.  Damming the flow may work temporarily, yet ultimately either the dam will burst into a destructive flood, or its waters will be diverted for constructive purposes.  By choosing the former instead of the latter, hasn&#8217;t Prince Turki chosen the course of ultimate failure?</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wise leadership&quot; is the sticking point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wise leadership&#8221; is the sticking point.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are enough real images of real, but dead, Palestinian children to poison the atmosphere for another generation. &quot;

That doesn&#039;t have to happen, any more than the Germans of 1945 were &quot;poisoned&quot; by their dead; the Germans made and kept peace.  Must the Gazans suffer the loss of not just 0.1% of their population but, like the Germans, a hundred times that number for them to learn?  Can&#039;t wise leadership and education make a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are enough real images of real, but dead, Palestinian children to poison the atmosphere for another generation. &#8221;</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t have to happen, any more than the Germans of 1945 were &#8220;poisoned&#8221; by their dead; the Germans made and kept peace.  Must the Gazans suffer the loss of not just 0.1% of their population but, like the Germans, a hundred times that number for them to learn?  Can&#8217;t wise leadership and education make a difference?</p>
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