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	<title>Comments on: Deconstructing the Toss of a Shoe</title>
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		<title>By: Islam And The West Opinions Of A Kashmiri Nomad</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17655</link>
		<dc:creator>Islam And The West Opinions Of A Kashmiri Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Islam And The West Accelerated Links...&lt;/strong&gt;

Crossroads Arabia with more analysis of Bush and the shoe incident....</description>
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<p>Crossroads Arabia with more analysis of Bush and the shoe incident&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17641</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not argue for a 15 year imprisonment nor for any period of confinement.  I merely state the obvious fact that gross violations of well-accepted cultural norms of politeness and civility deserve sanction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not argue for a 15 year imprisonment nor for any period of confinement.  I merely state the obvious fact that gross violations of well-accepted cultural norms of politeness and civility deserve sanction.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17636</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It runs contrary to every precept of hospitality and civilisation to engage in conduct such as that engaged in by Mr. al-Zeidi.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but such a violation should not merit fifteen years in prison!  I&#039;m not sure exactly what the punishment should be, but it should be just enough to discourage further acts of its kind.  Say somewhere between aggressive littering and attempted assault with intent to maim.  Sock him with a hefty percentage of his future shoe-related proceeds made payable to the victim and six months in jail - that ought to do it.

And let him run for Parliament afterward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It runs contrary to every precept of hospitality and civilisation to engage in conduct such as that engaged in by Mr. al-Zeidi.</i></p>
<p>Yes, but such a violation should not merit fifteen years in prison!  I&#8217;m not sure exactly what the punishment should be, but it should be just enough to discourage further acts of its kind.  Say somewhere between aggressive littering and attempted assault with intent to maim.  Sock him with a hefty percentage of his future shoe-related proceeds made payable to the victim and six months in jail &#8211; that ought to do it.</p>
<p>And let him run for Parliament afterward!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17626</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It runs contrary to every precept of hospitality and civilisation to engage in conduct such as that engaged in by Mr. al-Zeidi.

If Mr. al-Zeidi objects to the presence of Mr. Bush, he should direct his anger at the inviting party -- Mr. al-Maliki -- and certainly not at the invited guest.

It represents a betrayal of cultural values that I believe many Iraqis hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It runs contrary to every precept of hospitality and civilisation to engage in conduct such as that engaged in by Mr. al-Zeidi.</p>
<p>If Mr. al-Zeidi objects to the presence of Mr. Bush, he should direct his anger at the inviting party &#8212; Mr. al-Maliki &#8212; and certainly not at the invited guest.</p>
<p>It represents a betrayal of cultural values that I believe many Iraqis hold.</p>
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		<title>By: ratherdashing</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17616</link>
		<dc:creator>ratherdashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think this incident will make him much safer for the rest of his life and I mean that from the bottom of my heart because a lot of people saw at least something happen that they wanted to happen to him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bush would likely trade the shoe incident for future safety if it works that way.  I understand what you mean.  This was a pressure release for many in the region.  But, a shoe will not satisfy all the violent detractors.  They&#039;ll want Bush&#039;s head forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think this incident will make him much safer for the rest of his life and I mean that from the bottom of my heart because a lot of people saw at least something happen that they wanted to happen to him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bush would likely trade the shoe incident for future safety if it works that way.  I understand what you mean.  This was a pressure release for many in the region.  But, a shoe will not satisfy all the violent detractors.  They&#8217;ll want Bush&#8217;s head forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17615</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, &lt;a href=&quot;http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2004/06/why-is-u.html&quot;&gt;it&#039;s OK if they hate us&lt;/a&gt;; the South hated Sherman after the Civil War, too.  Iraqis just have to stop making war on us or encouraging others to do so, and the best way to do that is a democratic society that presents the opportunity to honestly confront their tyrant-bred pathologies.  

Iraqis know Bush as a liberator, but Muntader saw clearly and accurately that Bush didn&#039;t provide Iraq with the golden shield of security Europe experienced after World War II; the U.S. made the Iraqis partners to work for their own security.  That certainly makes those Iraqis who had to switch from a power-paternalistic relationship with government to a civil one under law angry - angry enough to throw shoes at the man they see as responsible.

Muntader didn&#039;t wield a gun. He issued a warning before he threw, didn&#039;t he?  Although his reporting ethics are zilch, he&#039;s comparable to that French farmer who vandalized a McDonalds, then ran for Parliament as the head of his own political party.  I see Muntader serving time, then following a similar path, for he has struck a chord among a wide swath of the Iraqi people, even across sectarian lines. Eventually, of course, Iraqi voters may reject him, and certainly his influence will be limited. Ironically, even against his own will, Muntader may become just the kind of politician I imagine Bush&#039;s strategists hoped would develop to cement Iraq&#039;s democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, <a href="http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2004/06/why-is-u.html">it&#8217;s OK if they hate us</a>; the South hated Sherman after the Civil War, too.  Iraqis just have to stop making war on us or encouraging others to do so, and the best way to do that is a democratic society that presents the opportunity to honestly confront their tyrant-bred pathologies.  </p>
<p>Iraqis know Bush as a liberator, but Muntader saw clearly and accurately that Bush didn&#8217;t provide Iraq with the golden shield of security Europe experienced after World War II; the U.S. made the Iraqis partners to work for their own security.  That certainly makes those Iraqis who had to switch from a power-paternalistic relationship with government to a civil one under law angry &#8211; angry enough to throw shoes at the man they see as responsible.</p>
<p>Muntader didn&#8217;t wield a gun. He issued a warning before he threw, didn&#8217;t he?  Although his reporting ethics are zilch, he&#8217;s comparable to that French farmer who vandalized a McDonalds, then ran for Parliament as the head of his own political party.  I see Muntader serving time, then following a similar path, for he has struck a chord among a wide swath of the Iraqi people, even across sectarian lines. Eventually, of course, Iraqi voters may reject him, and certainly his influence will be limited. Ironically, even against his own will, Muntader may become just the kind of politician I imagine Bush&#8217;s strategists hoped would develop to cement Iraq&#8217;s democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17613</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just &#039;this guy&#039;, as the article notes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just &#8216;this guy&#8217;, as the article notes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ratherdashing</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17612</link>
		<dc:creator>ratherdashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muntader Al-Zeidi throws like a girl.  Good golly, he was 15 feet away and couldn&#039;t hit a stationary target.  

He&#039;s also no hero.  The only reason he is still alive is because of the freedom he received after the removal of Saddam Hussein.  Saddam wouldn&#039;t have even held a press conference, let alone permit prying questions or unfavorable press.  That irony seems lost on this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muntader Al-Zeidi throws like a girl.  Good golly, he was 15 feet away and couldn&#8217;t hit a stationary target.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s also no hero.  The only reason he is still alive is because of the freedom he received after the removal of Saddam Hussein.  Saddam wouldn&#8217;t have even held a press conference, let alone permit prying questions or unfavorable press.  That irony seems lost on this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/12/21/deconstructing-the-toss-of-a-shoe/comment-page-1/#comment-17608</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would have been funny if he said it was a &lt;strike&gt;six&lt;strike&gt; SIZE four!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would have been funny if he said it was a <strike>six</strike><strike> SIZE four!</strike></p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bush has ever done anything right, it was his shoe dodging ability and remarks afterwards with the exception that they were only a size 10. 

I think this incident will make him much safer for the rest of his life and I mean that from the bottom of my heart because a lot of people saw at least something happen that they wanted to happen to him. I am seriously wondering if this is not the first time objects have been hurled at him???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush has ever done anything right, it was his shoe dodging ability and remarks afterwards with the exception that they were only a size 10. </p>
<p>I think this incident will make him much safer for the rest of his life and I mean that from the bottom of my heart because a lot of people saw at least something happen that they wanted to happen to him. I am seriously wondering if this is not the first time objects have been hurled at him???</p>
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