Comments on: Saudi Jurist Condemns Bin Laden http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/11/saudi-jurist-condemns-bin-laden/ Informed comment and commentary about Saudi Arabia, reform, and its relations with the US Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:41:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Solomon2 http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/11/saudi-jurist-condemns-bin-laden/comment-page-1/#comment-14151 Solomon2 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:52:18 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=4815#comment-14151 <i>According to conservative, traditionalist Muslim scholars (and a lot of hadith) an unjust and corrupt ruler is preferable to fitna, discord and chaos.</i> Before the 2003 Iraq invasion I recall there was discussion between Iranian Shi'a scholars about whether or not invasion by a non-Muslim Army could be justified if it removed an oppressive tyrant. Last month's Mecca Preliminary Conference on Inter-Religious Dialogue decided that the definite answer is no. Apparently the very fact that disposing of a tyrant leads Muslims to contest among themselves for leadership is to be abhorred. This decision does not promote the cause of Arab democracy, as a certain level of discord is usually a part of the democratic process. As for what Shaikh Saleh Al Laheedan said, he appears to have chosen his words carefully. Has anyone read his full statement? According to conservative, traditionalist Muslim scholars (and a lot of hadith) an unjust and corrupt ruler is preferable to fitna, discord and chaos.

Before the 2003 Iraq invasion I recall there was discussion between Iranian Shi’a scholars about whether or not invasion by a non-Muslim Army could be justified if it removed an oppressive tyrant. Last month’s Mecca Preliminary Conference on Inter-Religious Dialogue decided that the definite answer is no. Apparently the very fact that disposing of a tyrant leads Muslims to contest among themselves for leadership is to be abhorred.

This decision does not promote the cause of Arab democracy, as a certain level of discord is usually a part of the democratic process.

As for what Shaikh Saleh Al Laheedan said, he appears to have chosen his words carefully. Has anyone read his full statement?

]]> By: Sparky http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/11/saudi-jurist-condemns-bin-laden/comment-page-1/#comment-14129 Sparky Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:11:31 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=4815#comment-14129 Concerning your last statement, I know that is true and I wasn't kidding when i said I was thinking about becoming a Jew...a mystical one :-) Concerning your last statement, I know that is true and I wasn’t kidding when i said I was thinking about becoming a Jew…a mystical one :-)

]]> By: John Burgess http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/11/saudi-jurist-condemns-bin-laden/comment-page-1/#comment-14128 John Burgess Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:04:22 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=4815#comment-14128 According to conservative, traditionalist Muslim scholars (and a lot of hadith) an unjust and corrupt ruler is preferable to <em>fitna</em>, discord and chaos. I'm afraid your libertarian tendencies don't mesh very well with that construction! According to conservative, traditionalist Muslim scholars (and a lot of hadith) an unjust and corrupt ruler is preferable to fitna, discord and chaos.

I’m afraid your libertarian tendencies don’t mesh very well with that construction!

]]> By: Sparky http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/11/saudi-jurist-condemns-bin-laden/comment-page-1/#comment-14121 Sparky Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:00:17 +0000 http://xrdarabia.org/?p=4815#comment-14121 Obedience is a poor choice of words. What if a countries' rulers are unjust and corrupt? Are we to follow them or anyone else for that matter. Why not follow universal principles of love and brotherhood and sisterhood instead. People in Saudi are surely treated as subjects. I have experienced such influences and it is like someone who has a big dark cloud hanging over their heads. A tug of war in the war of obedience. I call on all Saudi people to let go of the rope and just be! There is no need to choose sides of obedience. Follow what feels good and what is filled with love and joy. Once that action is performed all will feel free and not tied to anyone's dictates. Obedience is a poor choice of words. What if a countries’ rulers are unjust and corrupt? Are we to follow them or anyone else for that matter.

Why not follow universal principles of love and brotherhood and sisterhood instead. People in Saudi are surely treated as subjects. I have experienced such influences and it is like someone who has a big dark cloud hanging over their heads.

A tug of war in the war of obedience. I call on all Saudi people to let go of the rope and just be! There is no need to choose sides of obedience. Follow what feels good and what is filled with love and joy. Once that action is performed all will feel free and not tied to anyone’s dictates.

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