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	<title>Comments on: Saudis Counsel Female Terrorists</title>
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		<title>By: olivetheoil</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2008/07/02/saudis-counsel-female-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-13957</link>
		<dc:creator>olivetheoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In Saudi Arabia, about young people (for the most part) who have clearly been led astray.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Isn&#039;t that how most career criminals can claim to have started out?

&lt;blockquote&gt;To date, the Saudi record has been good. I’ve seen a figure of 1% recidivism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the Saudi Govt&#039;s lack of transparency and vested interest in presenting a positive outcome, pardon my skepticism if I wait for independent confirmation. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The source said that the counseling programs, held at the women’s homes in the presence of their family members, were a resounding success.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let me see if I get this straight. A woman willingly meets up with people who want to blow up a building and kill innumerable people, she gets counseling at home. A woman reluctantly meets her blackmailer in an attempt to get back a photograph and gets gang-raped in the process--she gets 200 lashes? 

Wow! Talk about the judicial system&#039;s strange priorities!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In Saudi Arabia, about young people (for the most part) who have clearly been led astray.</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that how most career criminals can claim to have started out?</p>
<blockquote><p>To date, the Saudi record has been good. I’ve seen a figure of 1% recidivism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the Saudi Govt&#8217;s lack of transparency and vested interest in presenting a positive outcome, pardon my skepticism if I wait for independent confirmation. </p>
<blockquote><p>The source said that the counseling programs, held at the women’s homes in the presence of their family members, were a resounding success.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me see if I get this straight. A woman willingly meets up with people who want to blow up a building and kill innumerable people, she gets counseling at home. A woman reluctantly meets her blackmailer in an attempt to get back a photograph and gets gang-raped in the process&#8211;she gets 200 lashes? </p>
<p>Wow! Talk about the judicial system&#8217;s strange priorities!</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The experiences, I think, are not really comparable. In the US case, you&#039;re talking about career criminals. In Saudi Arabia, about young people (for the most part) who have clearly been led astray.

To date, the Saudi record has been good. I&#039;ve seen a figure of 1% recidivism. That&#039;s far better than the 60%-70% recidivism rate for US criminals.

But your point about the victims of even that 1% is taken. Doesn&#039;t help the victim much at all knowing that the crime was &#039;statistically improbable&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The experiences, I think, are not really comparable. In the US case, you&#8217;re talking about career criminals. In Saudi Arabia, about young people (for the most part) who have clearly been led astray.</p>
<p>To date, the Saudi record has been good. I&#8217;ve seen a figure of 1% recidivism. That&#8217;s far better than the 60%-70% recidivism rate for US criminals.</p>
<p>But your point about the victims of even that 1% is taken. Doesn&#8217;t help the victim much at all knowing that the crime was &#8216;statistically improbable&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: BT in SA</title>
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		<dc:creator>BT in SA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Have to call &quot;B.S.&quot; on this, &quot;All of them abandoned their deviant ideologies, thanks to the counselling programmes, organised by the authorities...&quot;

How well are the programs in the States working insofar as &quot;counselling&quot; criminals?  How well did it work for Nicholas Sheley?  Hmmph.  No one can ask his victims.  They are dead!  [&quot;Public records show Sheley has multiple convictions for robbery, drugs and weapons charges and has spent three years in prison.&quot;]  I have no more faith in the system here rehabilitating and/or &quot;counselling&quot; victims than I do in the U.S.

Sheley&#039;s story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25475940/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  Have to call &#8220;B.S.&#8221; on this, &#8220;All of them abandoned their deviant ideologies, thanks to the counselling programmes, organised by the authorities&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How well are the programs in the States working insofar as &#8220;counselling&#8221; criminals?  How well did it work for Nicholas Sheley?  Hmmph.  No one can ask his victims.  They are dead!  ["Public records show Sheley has multiple convictions for robbery, drugs and weapons charges and has spent three years in prison."]  I have no more faith in the system here rehabilitating and/or &#8220;counselling&#8221; victims than I do in the U.S.</p>
<p>Sheley&#8217;s story:  <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25475940/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25475940/</a></p>
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