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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Saudi Women Don&#8217;t Count&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: olivetheoil</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10337</link>
		<dc:creator>olivetheoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I did not take any offense but I was aware of the customs. Iâ€™m sure there were some tourists who did not understand and may have taken offense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was not a tourist and these are the customs of my society. I do not belong to the school of thought that accepts discriminatory behavior in the name of tradition. That sign was insulting, tradition didn&#039;t make it any less so and I plan to do everything  can to make sure those signs are relegated where they belong--in the dustbin of history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I did not take any offense but I was aware of the customs. Iâ€™m sure there were some tourists who did not understand and may have taken offense.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was not a tourist and these are the customs of my society. I do not belong to the school of thought that accepts discriminatory behavior in the name of tradition. That sign was insulting, tradition didn&#8217;t make it any less so and I plan to do everything  can to make sure those signs are relegated where they belong&#8211;in the dustbin of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10319</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Olivetheoil,

That is terrible the way that you were denied.  Although what you describe reminds me of when I was in Indonesia and touring around.  It was natural for many international visitors to want to see some of the temples and mosques in the country and outside of Bali there was a temple with a crude handpainted sign announcing &quot;Menstruating Women Not Allowed Inside.&quot;  I did not take any offense but I was aware of the customs.  I&#039;m sure there were some tourists who did not understand and may have taken offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivetheoil,</p>
<p>That is terrible the way that you were denied.  Although what you describe reminds me of when I was in Indonesia and touring around.  It was natural for many international visitors to want to see some of the temples and mosques in the country and outside of Bali there was a temple with a crude handpainted sign announcing &#8220;Menstruating Women Not Allowed Inside.&#8221;  I did not take any offense but I was aware of the customs.  I&#8217;m sure there were some tourists who did not understand and may have taken offense.</p>
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		<title>By: olivetheoil</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10310</link>
		<dc:creator>olivetheoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;does it imply then that the men who share this view believe themselves to be born from an immaculate conception or something?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Carol:
In my experience that IS the view held by many in the religious establishment. I refuse to enter shrines for a similar reason.  On one occasion, I was denied entry because women of &quot;menstruating age&quot; were deemed &quot;unclean.&quot;  I began to ask the priest if he had been conceived in a test-tube but my mother hauled me away before I could really get the discussion going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>does it imply then that the men who share this view believe themselves to be born from an immaculate conception or something?</p></blockquote>
<p>Carol:<br />
In my experience that IS the view held by many in the religious establishment. I refuse to enter shrines for a similar reason.  On one occasion, I was denied entry because women of &#8220;menstruating age&#8221; were deemed &#8220;unclean.&#8221;  I began to ask the priest if he had been conceived in a test-tube but my mother hauled me away before I could really get the discussion going.</p>
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		<title>By: ratherdashing</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10278</link>
		<dc:creator>ratherdashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sparky,

&lt;blockquote&gt;However, I would pepper spray someone who is harassing me but only if it got physical.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good on you.  If that line is crossed, you &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be permitted to defend yourself.  It&#039;s too bad that you don&#039;t have a Second Amendment (or a First, for that matter).

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem with them is that they go under cover and try to trick people, so nobody really knows they are commission members many times.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sneaky, bastids]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparky,</p>
<blockquote><p>However, I would pepper spray someone who is harassing me but only if it got physical.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good on you.  If that line is crossed, you <i>should</i> be permitted to defend yourself.  It&#8217;s too bad that you don&#8217;t have a Second Amendment (or a First, for that matter).</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem with them is that they go under cover and try to trick people, so nobody really knows they are commission members many times.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sneaky, bastids</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10276</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although this article is written by a woman and what she believes to be the perception of some men in the society does it imply then that the men who share this view believe themselves to be born from an immaculate conception or something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this article is written by a woman and what she believes to be the perception of some men in the society does it imply then that the men who share this view believe themselves to be born from an immaculate conception or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Saudi in US</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10269</link>
		<dc:creator>Saudi in US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another terrible story of how women suffer when marriages go bad. The law just does not offer them the required protection.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arabnews.com/?page=1&amp;section=0&amp;article=105111&amp;d=30&amp;m=12&amp;y=2007&quot;&gt;ArabNews Story&lt;/a&gt;

The court delays forced her to accept extortion by her husband and a life with no income. The right outcome should have been that she would have been granted a divorce for the negligence of the husband in taking care of his family and receive an allowance for her and the kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another terrible story of how women suffer when marriages go bad. The law just does not offer them the required protection.</p>
<p><a href="http://arabnews.com/?page=1&amp;section=0&amp;article=105111&amp;d=30&amp;m=12&amp;y=2007">ArabNews Story</a></p>
<p>The court delays forced her to accept extortion by her husband and a life with no income. The right outcome should have been that she would have been granted a divorce for the negligence of the husband in taking care of his family and receive an allowance for her and the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10268</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ratherdashing

I am in Riyadh. Those women were in Khobar or Damman. I wouldn&#039;t agree with pepper spraying someone who is talking nicely. 

However, I would pepper spray someone who is harassing me but only if it got physical. We don&#039;t have the whole story there. I doubt they would let the girls off that easy if the commission members were in the right. The problem with them is that they go under cover and try to trick people, so nobody really knows they are commission members many times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ratherdashing</p>
<p>I am in Riyadh. Those women were in Khobar or Damman. I wouldn&#8217;t agree with pepper spraying someone who is talking nicely. </p>
<p>However, I would pepper spray someone who is harassing me but only if it got physical. We don&#8217;t have the whole story there. I doubt they would let the girls off that easy if the commission members were in the right. The problem with them is that they go under cover and try to trick people, so nobody really knows they are commission members many times.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10267</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add away! As long as it isn&#039;t just a mindless attack, I think we can all look at honest criticisms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add away! As long as it isn&#8217;t just a mindless attack, I think we can all look at honest criticisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10263</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could add something here, but I fear any comment a Jew could make on this issue will be met with hostility.  Am I right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could add something here, but I fear any comment a Jew could make on this issue will be met with hostility.  Am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: ratherdashing</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2007/12/29/saudi-women-dont-count/comment-page-1/#comment-10222</link>
		<dc:creator>ratherdashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Girls/ Young Ladies are fighting backâ€¦My son saw two women beating up a man at a mall a few days ago. I know violence isnâ€™t good but I was like â€œYeah Women Power!â€ Wished I would have seen it. I know that sounds terrible but Hey.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe the same women here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&amp;id=10309&quot;&gt;Saudi Religious Police attacked by girls&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Girls/ Young Ladies are fighting backâ€¦My son saw two women beating up a man at a mall a few days ago. I know violence isnâ€™t good but I was like â€œYeah Women Power!â€ Wished I would have seen it. I know that sounds terrible but Hey.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe the same women here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&amp;id=10309">Saudi Religious Police attacked by girls</a></p>
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