Punishing Saudis for Marrying Foreigners Is Absurd
Abeer Mishkhas, abeermishkhas@arabnews.com

THERE ARE many ways of dealing with problems. Some require laws while others need only awareness, but in Saudi Arabia it seems the easiest way out is to ban the problem from happening. Needless to say, banning never works but it still remains our favorite solution.

Three years ago there was a campaign to dissuade Saudis from marrying non-Saudis. The campaign aimed at enlightening people about the negative aspects of going outside the Kingdom’s borders and choosing a partner. The study deservedly earned the disdain of many at the time. It failed to solve anything that its proponents saw as problems nor did it reduce the number of Saudis who wanted to marry non-Saudis.

This week, I was shocked to see an interview with an official in a local paper. He was speaking about this very issue and the interview began with a denial that the numbers of Saudis marrying foreign women/men had reached “alarming” levels. The official stated that the ministry had put in place measures and guidelines to limit the “negative and harmful aspects of such marriages.”

The interviewer then asked what would be done if someone took the step of actually marrying a non-Saudi without taking official permission. Following are the measures:

* Disciplinary action against the Saudi;

* Not allowing the marriage to be registered as legal in the Kingdom;

* Not granting an entrance visa to the foreigner — either wife or husband — and if the wife or husband are already in the Kingdom, then their residency is terminated.

Heavy measures indeed! One would think that whoever was punished so harshly was a serious and hardened criminal. In truth, he or she is simply someone who tried to live his or her life within his or her rights as a human being.

Some years ago, facing the fact that for a variety of reasons—financial, cultural, religious, pure happenstance—Saudis were marrying foreigners in large numbers, the Saudi government reacted by prohibiting the marriage of Saudis to non-Saudis. It sure looked like an attempt to establish some sort of ‘racial purity’, an anathema to nearly all in the west. It clearly annoyed some Saudis, too, and not just because their own rights were being limited.

Abeer Mishkhas, writing in Arab News has this piece that makes her view of the matter perfectly clear. If you’d like to read a nice piece of justifiable anger, then click on the link and read the whole thing!


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  1. 1
    Clapton Said:
    November:30:2006 - 05:46 

    Another aspect to this that bears mentioning is that many Saudi men cannot afford to marry another Saudi. The costs of dowry, etc. are too high in a country of diminishing salaries. I heard that the govt is forming a fund to help poor young men afford the expenses of marriage, but there are many older men who remain single. Some choose to marry Filipinos, Syrians, or other wonderful people whose families do not require as high a “bride price.”

    A middle aged Saudi primary school teacher should not be single because he is too poor to afford the 15k US price for a wife. That 15k doesn’t include setting up an apt, new furniture, clothes for the wife, etc. Paying 30k for a guy who makes about 1250 US per month is unreasonable.

  2. 2
    John Said:
    November:30:2006 - 09:01 

    That is certainly one of the major issues. Another is that Saudi women are becoming more demanding in what they expect of a husband, including things like higher education, jobs, and the willingness to let the women work outside the home.

    None of these are bad, but they do make things more difficult. Uneducated foreign wives who don’t speak the language and have low expectations become more attractive. And not only the the KSA.

  3. 3
    Dr. Abubucker Said:
    December:01:2006 - 03:05 

    Saudi Arabia is the only muslim country that claims vehemently that it follows the laws of Quran and the ways of Prophet Mohamed(Peace be upon him). It is very absurd to prevent Muslim men marrying Muslim women and is highly condemnable to prevent their marital union and happiness by obtructive laws. In Malaysia ans Singapore intermarrige among Muslims of different nationalities and races are very common and hardly anybody boosts on their family pride. Muslims of these countries are not having tribal stratification of their soceity. For example, Former Prime Ministers of malaysia, Dr. Mahathir Mohamed and Anwar Ibrahim has South Indian blood in them and Anwar is wedded to a chinese Muslim. After emigration to Madina, Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) wiped out the tribal differences among the Ansar.. Ulamas and educated Saudi Arabians should come forward and encourage intermarriage among muslims in their Friday sermons. Ulamas must urge that role of religion is to create a global soceity and not to protect one’s tribal pride. Saudi arabians have the unique oppurtunity of watching Muslims from all parts of the world coming to Mecca and Mediana for spritual emancipation. Saudi Arabians should lead the world in the unification of Muslims by all means including marriage. Saudi Ulamas and religious personalities have a greater role to advocate that.

  4. 4
    Bint englise Said:
    March:25:2007 - 13:54 

    As salam alaikum muslims, peace to non muslims.
    this is a very touchy subject to tak of as it affects many people both saudi and non saudi nationals. i personally have face these rules and regulations once before, certain criterion have to be met if ur a saudi man to start with in order to be permitted to marry a non saudi woman, which are, age, u must be over 32 years of age, so i have been told and read, u must not be from a pure saudi blood line (meaning both parents are saudi nationals), u must not be working for any of the ministires or hospitals etc. the woman must be from only a Gcc country and not a woman from the wester part of the world, she is considered not good enough, not learnt enough in her deen and the list goes on naothoo billah ( a term said when disgusted with something.)
    The divorce rate in saudi is climbing rapidly amongst saudi to saudi national marriages, the mahr/dowery rate is climbing so high with these womens whims and desires for material bliss instead of marital bliss. some mahr going in to the high thousand reach the million mark, for an average saudi man that is an arm and a leg to start with. jst as someone had posted here already the school teacher for example, is old enough to marry but cant afford it cos of the unrealistic demands of females which is then another reason why so many saudi men leave saudi and go and marry adn settle in western lands and have their bliss there but with that their wife and kids dont get recognised at all.
    The term “human rights” here is non existant.
    i can understand that the ratio of women to men in saudi is now at the 4:1 mark and is climbing rapidly. its such a sad things to see that these ridiculous non islamic laws are also affecting the common sister from saudi who wants to marry a non local but cant because of such laws.

    InshAllah Ya Rabbil Al Amin, someone will take action and help all those who are being opressed.
    la howla wa la quwatta illah billah. to make it worse there are now forced divorces which are also not supported by quran and sunnah. La ilaha ill Allah.

    May Allah ( Our Lord, The Creater,) guide the leaders of the muslim countries & bring what is best for us all as an ummah in the dunya wa akhira.Ameen.
    Allah humma sulli ala Sayydinah Mohammed. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Mohammed. ameen.

    fee aman Allah, as salam alaikum. Peace.

  5. 5
    John Burgess Said:
    March:25:2007 - 17:02 

    Thanks for your comment.

  6. 6
    huda Said:
    March:27:2007 - 19:13 

    i am a saudi woman currently trying to get permission to marry a muslim turkish man.
    i have been told very very little about the process of getting the permission. just that i’m too young-most women should be over 29 and not desired by saudi men. also since neither i nor the man live in the kingdom it further complicates matters.
    see going through the process wouldn’t be so bad (of course this means that we’ll ignore that my basic human rights are being so flaggrantly ignored and butchered!) if i knew that the process would handle itself-as in the papers would go from A-B-C…-Z. but it doesn’t work that way. twice now i’ve had to resubmit all the papers.
    what really solves the process is who you know and how much you willing to pay.
    how does this represent the best interests of anyone???????

    right now i’m trying to get my guardian to accept me marrying outside of saudi but he’s afraid of the consequences.actually mentioned ‘what about renewing your passport?’. can you blv that?i thought he was joking-really making the biggest joke of all at a time like this!!!!!!!

  7. 7
    John Burgess Said:
    March:27:2007 - 22:37 

    I think the government needs to seriously look at its laws and its interpretation of those laws in light of internationally recognized human rights.

  8. 8
    maryam Said:
    March:28:2007 - 02:27 

    As salam alaikum ukhti Huda,
    My duaa and love go out to you. Ya Rabb. Allah humma gibb hidaya.Ameen. May Allah give them fuidence.Ameen
    Wallahi ukhti i feel ur sorrow, its soo hard to do something so halal as marriage and it begins to make u feel as if ur not worthy of being married. Ukhti i tell u one thing, Dont loose hope. Sis please email me, my email adress is maryam_muslimah1983@yahoo.com. im publiswhing my email here so that only huda may contact me, im by no means wnating men to contact me. Huda ukhti min fadlich fee sibliAllah, sowie email ana inshAllah wa ana kalam inti yani shu sowie bil kitab ul nikah.

    May Allah provide us with the best of dunya and akhira and shower His Mercy & Blessings upon those who are being opressed.Ameen
    May Allah deal justly with the opressors & those who go against the quran and sunnah.Ameen.

    peace & good day.
    fee aman Allah, as salam alaikum.

  9. 9
    m.k Said:
    April:05:2007 - 07:31 

    Dear ms.Abeer
    i am a Saudi married to a non Saudi, we have met at school in Cyprus!
    And continued our relation ship until we graduated, then i went back to Saudi Arabia an i worked there for 2 years and at the same time i worked on getting the permission.
    but in the end i had to leav my job,friends,family,country because of this permission thing that i don’t understand.
    Our culture and religion didn’t prohibit marring with non-Saudis or even non-Muslims in a way!
    but i am happy now and married to the woman that i love and that all that matters.

    i hope no one would have to experience this pain. but it was a happy starting to me.

  10. 10
    hammad Said:
    April:06:2007 - 01:34 

    Dear brothers and sisters,
    This is absolutely absurd and quite frankly let the saudi government shove all its stupid laws up its — [Edited for profanity]

  11. 11
    John Burgess Said:
    April:06:2007 - 09:04 

    I’d only note that every country has its own problems in dealing with citizenship. It was within my lifetime that American women could transfer their citizenship to their children. And right now, there are discussions about not giving citizenship to children of foreigners who happen to be born in the US but whose parents are not intended (and visa-ed) for citizenship or residency.

  12. 12
    Saudi Stepford Wife Said:
    April:06:2007 - 10:56 

    A point that no one has mentioned; there is precedence in Hadith prohibiting the marriage of men to foreign women. In the past, when the infant Islamic nation was expanding at an exponential rate, many men left the Hijaz to make Jihad and spread Islam. Men would be away for years at a time, sometimes never returning. Many men began to marry women from these far-flung lands at an increasing rate. If all these top-notch Muslim men were out of the country, who would marry the Hijazi women? This became a dilemma and a law was declared banning these marriages, although technically Halal.

    Another point, according to Saudi Statistics that I’ve seen, the birth rate for males is higher, 54% and males outnumbered females by 2 million. I’ve tried a few times to get into the Central dept of Statistics to confirm this but I can never get in consistantly and the amount of info is dizzying.
    http://cds.planning.gov.sa/statistic/sindexe.htm

  13. 13
    John Burgess Said:
    April:06:2007 - 11:55 

    Thanks for that interesting bit of history. I wonder about the authenticity of that hadith (though I wonder about most of them, to tell the truth).

    If the birth statistics are accurate, that would make Saudi Arabia almost unique in the world where female births predominate.

  14. 14
    Bint englise Said:
    April:07:2007 - 04:43 

    Dear saudi stepford wife,

    id jst like to say that in my time of reading hadith in fiqh of nikah i have never come across a hadith stating that marriage of men to foreign women is haram/forbidden. what hadith collection, narrater and hadith number states this please. Reason i ask because Quran states quite clearly that be you man or woman you can marry of any muslim of any nationality. To state futher, the last speech of Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him when he stated ” An non arab is not better than an arab & and an arab is not better than an non arab.” Islam doesnt promote nationalism or superiorism of race or nationality but equality and justice for all no matter of race or nationality and even goes to the lengths that if there are non believers of islam who are in need of our help and they are in our lands then we are to help them also. SubhanAllah wa bihamdi.

    i will include a few links here inshAllah as referance to what im saying.

    1- fiqh ul nikah(rulings of marriage as per quran wa sunnah.) http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?cref=343&ln=eng

    2 – The last sermon of the Prophet-peace be upon him- is known as Khutbatul Wada’. It is mentioned in almost all books of Hadith. Following Ahadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari refer to the sermon and quote part of it. See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentioned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon in his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.

    3 – http://www.islamtoday.com/show_sub_section.cfm?main_cat_id=17&sub_cat_id=0

  15. 15
    Saudi Stepford Wife Said:
    April:08:2007 - 04:42 

    I must clarify my statement and I apologize if I had given anyone the impression that this was a religious ruling for ALL Muslims to go by at ALL times. This law was declared as a reaction to events at THAT time and as I had stated previously,”a law was declared banning these marriages, although technically Halal’. I was merely stating that there has been precedence for this type of law enacted amongst the Sahaba.

    There is nothing in Islam that forbids Arabs marrying non-Arabs nor Muslims from outside their race(good thing too, otherwise I wouldn’t be here!). There is however, room in Islamic jurisprudence for such rulings as in the situation I mentioned. I am not debating the merits of it, just pointing out it’s existence.

  16. 16
    nadia Said:
    April:14:2007 - 09:11 

    Sallamalaykum.i am married for 7years now n have a 4 year old daughter.me n my husband met at work in jeddah n from that time he asked me to marry him.im in good terms with his family and hes also in good terms with my family.but its so hard for us,everyday,every minute and seconds,coz i have to stay in manila coz we dont have money to ask anybody to help us my husbands permission and even if he gets it it will be hard for us again to go there coz wer already married and with a child.i dont understand how the government of saudi arabia could actually make things complicated for families like us,specially my daughter has heart problems and its not allowed for her to feel so much emotions,specially crying.and each night that she realizes that her father is not with us she cries until she falls asleep.it always breaks my heart.me and my husband always have hope inshallah somebody and someone in good heart will help us be with him in jeddah without asking for money coz were not financially stable.even if we have to beg anybody we will.we love each other a lot and 7years is really so painful for us.may god send peace to everyone.

  17. 17
    nadia Said:
    April:26:2007 - 02:17 

    everyday i keep on thinking why the government of saudi arabia keep on making things complicated about saudis marrying a foreigner.as i know some old saudis married to foregners,my husbands relatives they never had this problem before.its easy to ask permission to marry a foreigner and not too much complications.i am also a muslim and its not a sin to get married specially with a fellow muslim,but saudi arabias government rules and punishment about marrying a foreigner without permission is like a sin,that we committed a crime.its not a crime to love,specially when you have both same faith and you know that you will both live and teach your children how to be good muslims.and i think thats what matters more than anything else.

  18. 18
    Ayesha Said:
    May:22:2007 - 14:01 

    Salamalaikum!

    I need some information, if anyone could help me, please do so.
    I am a Hungarian woman born Christian but converted into a Muslim 3 years ago. My fiance is Bulgarian and not Muslim. He is working in Saudi Arabia at the moment and I live in Hungary.
    My question is if I come to Saudi, will the Saudi laws let us get married there? If yes, what’s the procedure like and how long would it take?

  19. 19
    John Burgess Said:
    May:22:2007 - 14:49 

    My experience is that you’ll be better off if you marry before you enter Saudi Arabia. The marriage you describe is forbidden under Saudi law, so cannot be performed there.

    If you are married prior to entering the country, then you’ll still have problems, but you’ll at least be married.

    The extent of your problems will depend on several things and the solutions may or may not be palatable.

    I’m aware of an American Jewish married to a Turkish Muslim woman who lived in Saudi Arabia, so it is possible. But both had to identify themselves as ‘non-Muslims’ on all of their official paperwork to avoid problems. They both had diplomatic status, something which may have affected the ‘solution’ and which may not apply in your case.

    The strict Sharia law the Saudis follow absolutely prohibits the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim man. It appears that one or the other of you will have to do something to address that problem, either in word or deed.

    Good luck!

  20. 20
    abusinan Said:
    May:22:2007 - 15:15 

    You are right John, Saudi visa paperwork requires a declaration of faith.

    As a Muslim woman being married to non Muslim man is forbidden in Islam, one would have to lie about this fact.

    As to the marriage ceremony itself, no Muslim leader will perform such a marriage anywhere in the world. It is forbidden. Proof of conversion to Islam would be required for the man.

    The marriage would either have to be a state marriage or a religious marriage outside of Islam.

    As a non Muslim, according to your paperwork you would be excluded from most religious functions and sites, including Mecca and Medina.

    The other option is one that other Muslim women who married outside of the faith have opted for, and that is a “sham” conversion for the man. However, as usual, in Saudi that would create issues.

    As a Muslim man your husband would be required to pray and perform other religious acts. Religious Policeman will force Muslim men into mosques at prayer time and I am sure that would not go over well if he doesnt know how to pray.

    Like John said, lots of things to think about.

  21. 21
    Ayesha Said:
    May:22:2007 - 15:32 

    Thank you both for the information. Could you please tell me what’s the situation like in Bahrain? Would it be easier for us to meet there for the marriage and go to Saudi together as husband and wife?

  22. 22
    John Burgess Said:
    May:22:2007 - 20:25 

    Things are a little easier–or at least were, when I lived in Bahrain in the late 1980s. You will most likely have to find a Shi’a imam or judge to do the service, which is likely possible, but not easy. Given what’s going on in Bahrain right now, it might not be possible.

    That still doesn’t resolve the issues, spelled out by Abu Sinan, that you’re going to have once you get into the KSA, of course. You’re both going to have legal and social problems galore. It would not at all be surprising if your husband were to lose his work visa over the issue and be forced to leave the country. You’ve a very difficult situation with no good or easy solutions given the strict implementation of Hanbali law in the KSA.

  23. 23
    Abu Sinan Said:
    May:23:2007 - 21:25 

    John,

    I am not that knowledgable about the Shi’a religious beliefs, but I do think that they require a Muslim woman to marry a Muslim man.

    Here in the USA that is most certainly the case, I dont know about Bahrain.

    That a Muslim woman must marry a Muslim man, I think, is an accepted fact amoungst all Muslims, Shi’a and Sunni alike.

    I think it will not be possible for a Muslim woman to be married in an Islamic marriage, officiated by Muslim officials, anywhere in the world.

    I even believe this is enshrined in law in many places in the Muslim world.

    I think the only option is for a civil marriage in a country where this is possible. I even think in an country like Lebanon it is not possible for a Muslim female to marry a non Muslim man.

    As a Muslim myself, I would counsel Ayesha to think about the whole idea of marrying a non Muslim. There are loads of issues to consider. If you are a practicing Muslim, how will the children be raised? Will you celebrate your husbands holidays which are considered “haraam” in Islam, like Christmas and Easter?

    In many mosques, especially here in the USA and Europe, the religious leaders and Imams require at least a few marriage counseling sessions before they will perform a marriage.

    The whole reason that Muslim women were forbidden to marry non Muslims in the first place is that traditionally the man was responsible for the religious education of the children. If a Muslim woman married a non Muslim man it is most likely that the children will be raised non Muslim.

    If you ever plan to be active in Muslim communities anywhere in the world marriage to a non Muslim man will make this hard or next to impossible.

    I dont think it wise for even Muslim men to marry non Muslim females because of the issues it causes, but it is not forbidden.

    You also must recognise that there really isnt such a thing in Islam as a “fiance”, at least not in the Western sense. If you are a practicing Muslim it would be considered VERY wrong to spend time alone with a man to which you are not married.

    Usually when two unrelated people meet to get to know each other for marriage it is done at the homes of one family or another, or in more liberal households the two might be allowed to go out together in the presence of family members such as aunts, uncles, or older brothers and sisters.

    The whole situation needs a lot of thinking about. My suggestion is to contact the relgious leader of your local mosque or a Muslim female that you are friendly with and discuss these issues.

    My experience with these types of marriages show me that they usually turn out in one of two ways.

    The first way is that the woman decides to continue to practice Islam. Because of this the woman and the non Muslim husband come into conflict on a whole host of different levels, drink, what to eat, what holidays to celebrate, fasting in Ramadan, what religion to raise the kids, the reasons are in the dozens and the marriage fails.

    The second way is that the Muslim woman basically ceases to practice her religion and becomes okay with a husband and family who eat pork, drink alcohol, celebrate Christmas, raise their children Christian.

    I suggest taking a long and careful look at such a marriage. I think it is almost impossible for a Western convert to Islam to marry a non Muslim and still be able to practice their religion.

    One person, or the other, will have to give way. Islam is not a religion where you can be Muslim on Sunday and the rest of your life isnt changed. To become a Muslim changes your every day life.

  24. 24
    John Burgess Said:
    May:23:2007 - 21:56 

    When posted to Bahrain, I once attended a marriage between the daughter of a Shi’a imam and the son of a Jewish merchant, both Bahraini. The marriage was deemed ‘not ideal’, but it went forward nevertheless. Whether that could be done now, some 20 years later, is questionable.

    I would not care to be in Ayesha’s place, if she wishes to live in any Islamic country these days. Perhaps in Turkey, but even there, there will be issues.

    She has hard choices to make. Some of the possible solutions are physically dangerous; others, only morally so. The best, IMO, is to not be married to a non-Muslim in an Islamic country, but that obviously has it own high costs.

  25. 25
    EVA Said:
    August:26:2007 - 20:46 

    I COME FROM EUROPE AND I WANT TO GET MARRIED TO A SAUDI MAN.WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ALREADY 3 YEARS TO GET A PERMISSION TO GET MARRIED.I AM NON MUSLIM BUT I AM STILL HUMAN BEING ABD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SAUDI GOVERMENT TREATS PEOPLE LIKE THAT LET THEM WAIT FOR THAT PERMISSION FOR SO LONG.I FEEL THAT IT DESTROYS OUR LIVES.WE WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY LIKE EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.AT THE MOMENT W NA NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF EVER WE WILL HAVE THEM.ALL THANKS TO THAT VISA.IF SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE IT FASTER THEN IT WOULD BE EASIER.WE JUST WANT TO BE HAPPY BUT WE CAN NOT BECAUSE I AM NOT FROM SAUDI ARABIA.IS IT A GOOD ARGUMENT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HAPPINESS.

  26. 26
    MARK Said:
    August:26:2007 - 20:53 

    I THINK IT IS DISQUSTING WHAT SAUDI GOVERMENT DOES.

  27. 27
    Was the death of my child not enough?! Said:
    November:19:2007 - 05:48 

    The Saudi Marriage permission is an open violation to human rights. Me and my boyfriend were engaged, but it was taking a long time to get the actual permission for the marriage to be legal in Saudi. His family did not want me either- we had got engaged only in front of my family, because I was a foreigner and european and were also putting a lot of pressure on him. We are both 27.
    I was also pregnant at the time and as a result of the pressure I miscarried at 23 weeks.
    So needless to say, that I paid this permission with my own blood.
    Now we are in the process to see how we will start from the beginning, but I feel terribly violated and hurt.
    I know now that this is something that costs around 4,000 Euro and you also need to know the right person to give the money to.
    This permission has nothing to do in islam and it has and keeps on destoying the life of many individuals.

  28. 28
    AbuSinan Said:
    November:19:2007 - 12:30 

    Technically the recognition of the marriage costs nothing, but if you dont have wasta (connections) sometimes it does take reshwa (bribes) instead.

    Family permission is also important as well. In the previous case, It does not surprise me that the family would object considering she was already pregnant, confirming to the family that the relationship had already exceded Islamic bounds in the first place.

    Foreign women actually find it rather easy to get their marriage recognised to Saudis. It is a fairly regular event and isnt an issue unless there are exceptional circumstances. In this case the family’s issue with the lady and her pre-marital pregnancy would be two issues that might keep the marriage from being recognized. Usually the process is a positive one, it just takes months, sometimes years for the process to run it’s course.

    The recognition itself has nothing do with with Islam. It is more about tribal custom and bigotry than anything else, not to mention money. When a family member marries outside the tribe, not to mention the country, that means money also leaves the country and the tribe.

    It really shouldnt be that stressful, however. If the Saudis didnt give you recognition, then who cares? Just stay in whatever county it is that you met or that you are a citizen of. It is clear the family wasnt interested, so why be so worried about marriage recognition in the first place?

    It is only required if you live in Saudi, or plan to travel there. The only other purpose it has is for Saudi legal reasons. If you choose to stay out of Saudi, you do not need recognition.

    If it wasnt for religious reasons(going to Hajj and Ummrah), we probably wouldnt care at all.

  29. 29
    Muhammad Ali Said:
    January:19:2008 - 07:22 

    As Salam o Elekum,
    I married in Saudia in 2005. This was not easy at all.
    First of all one has to be in Saudi Arabia on Work permit for marraige.
    Secondly The Area Governer has to approve this act.
    Third the police has to be informed of this which calls upon the Women and ask her if she is accepting this marriage by her on accord and not by his parents. They even ask her about the recognition of her future husband in many people. As if this is a way of confirming that she is knowing all the facts.
    Fourth the person has to give his finger prints and then the police checks these finger prints in their datatbase for any past crime records. This takes round about three to six months.
    Fifth the police gives a medical application for reports from any Govt. hospital for both the future couple. The Hospital guys make blood tests and chest xrays also investigate past medical history. Further based on various other “observed only investigations” they clarify this marriage to be success or Faliur. Their prime concern is to know wheather the couple genes will make full embryo or a defective one. In either state of results they send the report to the police.
    Sixth the police with the report of Finger prints and medical investigation send this to governor house which then confirms the non saudi nationality holders actual nationality to ministry of foreign affairs, like me from Pakistan as being originally Pakistani.
    Seventh after cmompletion of this task the ministry of foreign affairs send this back to Governer house.
    Eighted the governer house then direct the actual file completed to thye justic department for Nikkah.
    Ninth The judge ask either side for any formalitites and mutual understanding of women and men and then signs the Nikkah Book.
    Al-Hamdo Lillah. It was done and upon return I asked my wife “are we married yet or something remaining.”
    Oh one thing I forgot to inform that it took me four small years to go through all this.
    :-)
    Things Happen for the reasons.
    We Have now Al-Hamdo Lillah a Daughter Born Nov. 2006. We Named Her Mallak (Not Accepted by the Govt. Because Mallak Means Angle and human makes mistakes and angle doesn’t) Now named Nada Meaning Shubnum in Urdu.
    We are happy and have other problems but most importantly we both are not runners. we are Conqurers.
    About the nATIONALITY OF ME AND MY DAUGHTER, WE INTEND TO SOLEY BECAUSE OF THE HARAMINS. OTHERWISE OUR COUNTRY IS GREAT AND WE ARE PROUD PAKISTANIS.
    ALSO MY WIFE IS ENJOYING SAUDI NATIONALITY AND ALSO PAKISTANI LAWS ALLOW HER TO BE TREATED AS PAKISTANI EVEN SHE IS NOT. THE POC PAKISTAN ORIGIN CARD CAN MAKE ANY WOMEN OF THE WORLD A PAKISTANI NATIONAL EQUIVILANT.
    AS SAUDI NATIONALS CANNOT KEEP DUAL NATIONALITIES.
    (THE ABOVE IS BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THIS. FOR FUTHER INFORMATION YOU CAN SEND ME EMAIL ON THE GIVEN ADDRESS IF THE WEBSITE OWNER ALLOWS YOU TO. SUBJECT “WEDDINGINKSA”

  30. 30
    yakuut Said:
    January:28:2008 - 07:56 

    Hi,
    I am Algerian living in UK. I have known my fiancee who is Saudi for over 5 years, we met here in the UK when we were students and fall in love sraight away, what I can say about our love it is pure and never broken any islamic rules, straight away we agreed to marry. However, my fiancee is married to another Saudi woman and has got two children with her and the only reason that it is with her is the children.
    We want to get married both his family and mine agreed but the problem is that he is married and I don’t really know what is the procedure and the best way to do it, I mean for this marriage to be recognised.
    can you please advice!!!!!!
    yakuut.
    Jazakum allah kheiran

  31. 31
    Sparky Said:
    January:28:2008 - 11:46 

    If you have had a finance who happens to be a married man for 5 years that is a problem sista! That Saudi woman is gonna make hell for you and you will be blamed for tearing the family apart. Is it worth it?

    Find yourself a Sexy Brit, American, French (Oui Oui L’amore) you will be much happier trust me!

  32. 32
    Sparky Said:
    January:28:2008 - 11:55 

    EVERYBODY…Look for those Signs or Warning Signals…Flashing Red Lights….

    If it is this hard…could there be a reason? Hmmm…if it is this hard to get permission how nice is your life going to be?

    Think Think Think……

    Mommy told me but I didn’t listen. “Sorry Mommy…I love you so much”

  33. 33
    olivetheoil Said:
    January:28:2008 - 13:04 

    If you have had a finance who happens to be a married man for 5 years that is a problem sista! That Saudi woman is gonna make hell for you and you will be blamed for tearing the family apart. Is it worth it?

    Say it sistah! Rule#1 for relationships: if man has wife (and vice versa) think carefully! Especially if there are children involved.

  34. 34
    Hind-ksa Said:
    January:29:2008 - 12:13 

    My Sister you are worth much more than sharing a husband with another woman and the legal problems that you are facing and
    live tragedy

    To live happy take my advice and marry one from your own

    I was there where you are one day and I paid the price

  35. 35
    Dian Mayawati Said:
    February:18:2008 - 02:12 

    Assalamualaikum ,

    Im Dian , I live in indonesia, my fiaace just recently Working in jeddah and He’s pakistani .
    We plan to getting marry in indonesia before, but cos one and another things he request that we getting marry in jeddah / Saudi . Please help me to answer my questions , its that posible for us to get marry in saudi? as both of us non sadi but we are muslim, Can we do it while taking umrah? What will be the procedure?

    Wasalam
    Thanks n Rgds
    Dian

  36. 36
    sa'aeed al-qahtani Said:
    February:18:2008 - 12:04 

    To all those who are complaining about saudi gov’t violating islamic rules: since when has saudi arabia ever applied islamic rules to their entirety?
    I will give you examples…16 years of living is saudi arabia:
    1. punishment for stealing in Islam is cutting the hand. This is the bottomline. However, the case procedure has 24-25 CONDITIONS! If any of those conditions are not met, the hands cannot be cut. But I have seen many many times that the mutawwas is saudi arabia, with large tummies, who dont know Islam’s ins & outs, giving verdict to cut the hands.
    2. Islam says there is no difference between muslims…are all equal. The only difference is based on piety and who is more virtuous. HOWEVER, back in my home, saudi arabia, here is the thing: if a foreigner, even an arab, but not saudi, commits a crime, their punishment is twice or sometimes double in harshness than what would be given to a saudi.

    I will probably post more examples…but now, i have to go & study for my thesis….
    it was good to read you all’s comments…though they all make me sad.

  37. 37
    Aliyaah Said:
    March:04:2008 - 08:57 

    Assalamu alaikum

    Ä° am muslim Chechen having Russian passport and i want to marry British convert working in Saudi for 4 years.is it possible to do it in Saudi?

  38. 38
    sarah mohammad Said:
    March:17:2008 - 15:10 

    Assalam Alaikom!

    Im sarah converted muslim for 3 yrs. I was married with a Saudi for almost 2yrs. We got married in Philippine with Muslim Wedding Ceremony.Both parties agreed for our relation, but when we come back to Saudi same we are not couples, i stayed in hospital where i work, and he stayed in his house with his family. I meet with him secretly. We decided to get married for we dont have mistake when we sleep together.He did not asked permission from saudi government that he will be marrying Filipina in Philippines. We love each other so much, theres no problem between me and his family, and i plan to be pregnant soon.Our marriage was registered in Phil.and would it be advisable if i will get marriage document translated in arabic so when im here in saudi if i am with my husband they will not catch me coz there is paper to show? Pls. help me on what i will do, really my heart will be broken if i loss him and he love me more than everything. He never plan to get married with saudi woman and still he young ,29 yrs old. I never loss hope for everything, coz i know someday we will be together as husband and wife without hiding from people.

    Thank you and hoping for ur great reply for my querry.

  39. 39
    Faisal Said:
    March:25:2008 - 07:16 

    Salam,
    I just want Mohammad Ali (Pakistani) of blog number 29 of this page to contact me. Its really needed! Either Mr. Mohammad Ali u give me ur email ID or have mine faisal_sma@hotmail.com
    Waiting…….anxiously……..

  40. 40
    JG Said:
    March:26:2008 - 03:53 

    My personal advice based on experience: Don’t marry out of your religion. Second advice, don’t marry out of your nationality. If you choose to do so, be prepared for many life battles.

    A quick note to Yakuut the Algerian girl in love with the Saudi:

    Your ”love” has every right to marry 4 women. Picture this future scenario:

    You marry, have a couple of children, and he needs to travel to another country. Suddenly, and purely he meets another woman, falls in love at firt sight…buttttttttt does nothing haraam, is only with his wife for the children (I’d ask her side of this story) proposes marriage to her…..

  41. 41
    Algerian Girl UK Said:
    April:04:2008 - 13:14 

    yakuut shame on u ya shaqeyah u cannot find a single man so u have to jump on married men… really shame on u but i still hope that Allah will give u a good husband but not one who is already taken, if u were m7taramah u would try to convince him to go back to his wife and try to work out something with her… and what kind of family do u have to accept u getting married to a married man?????????? wallah bahdaltonah ento….

  42. 42
    Soul Said:
    April:21:2008 - 06:00 

    Hi
    My friend is an Indian girl marrying a palestine national whose family is settled in Saudi Arabia. She is basically a hindu and got an affidavit saying she got converted to Islam. They got married in India in a msoque. He has gone to Saudi since an year and is working there now. Will she be able to go and stay together with her husband as his wife. She has done her post graduation so will she be able to work there?

    Any valuable advice will be of great help.Thankyou

  43. 43
    John Burgess Said:
    April:21:2008 - 09:10 

    I can only suggest that someone contact the nearest Saudi consulate and get the details on exactly what is required. Saudi officials can be sticklers on precisely following the letter of the laws, rules, and regulations. Anything that is outside those will be viewed with suspicion. Remember that it’s always easier for a bureaucrat to say, ‘No!’ than to work out complicated exceptions.

  44. 44
    Cristi Said:
    June:22:2008 - 12:35 

    hi

    wanna ask some Question..I am from Philippines,catholic.my fiance is a ARABIAn(muslim) who lives in riyadh…He wants me to marry this coming December but the problem is he dont like Philippine Law of marriage because so many requirements to have and theres no divorce,if marriage collapse.CAn we marry a Saudi Law of marriage but held in philippines???

  45. 45
    John Burgess Said:
    June:22:2008 - 15:11 

    Likely not. Countries require that marriages conducted within those countries be by and under the laws of those countries, not others.

    I’d recommend you take a look online to find other Filipinas who have married Saudis or other Arabs to learn what the complications are. Getting married is only the first of them.

    Of course when we marry, we always anticipate that it will be joyous forever. It’s wise, though, to see what might happen if things do go bad. The cultural differences themselves can make life difficult. Look before you leap.

  46. 46
    Saudi in US Said:
    June:22:2008 - 18:36 

    Cristi,

    John provided you great advise. Please, do as much research as you can to understand Saudi and Islamic traditions. I would recommend that you visit the American_bedu blog. The blog focuses on experiences of a foreign wife living in Saudi. It may be a good place to start reading about expectations in the country and meet other wives that can provide you with their experiences.

    I wish you and your fiance all the best.

  47. 47
    Sparky Said:
    June:23:2008 - 01:22 

    Christi that is a red sign warning. He is thinking of possible rights you might have if you have a legal marriage in your country. In Islam, he says you are “Talag” “Divorced” you are left with whatever he chooses from his own mercy to give you and nothing more.

    My friend from Singapore who had a terrible situation with her Saudi husband but was awarded their home in Singapore because she had a legal and binding marriage recognized in her country.

    Think about that. Take some insurance out too if you know what I mean. Have a recognized marry in your country insist on buying some land there or something that way if things don’t work out you have something to go home to.

  48. 48
    Sparky Said:
    June:23:2008 - 01:36 

    Also my mother warned me years ago that women are second class citizens before coming here. That was an understatement and very little progress has been made for either Saudis or foreign women since them.

    Unless you are in a very wealthy family with connections or in one of the RARE families who are open minded you will face obstacles mostly imposed by males who themselves are dominated by the backward thinking of their culture and the rigidity of thinking imposed by governmental institutions.

  49. 49
    Nouri Said:
    July:29:2008 - 03:03 

    Salam ,

    I’m currently in a relationship with a Saudi man and happens to be planning on getting married . Seems that I’m a Malaysian , I would really like to know what are the rules which has to be followed if we want to get married . What should we do to make our marriage possible ?

  50. 50
    Sparky Said:
    July:29:2008 - 21:53 

    Salam. Look dear my mother gave me one piece of advice before leaving to Saudi and I am going to pass it on…

    “If you are facing these many obstacles going there, how do you expect your life to be there?”

    Personally if you are very hard headed and want to make it possible go and find “wasta”. At first my husband paid people who cheated him out of money. He was trying for months actually 4 months to be exact. Relunctedly he went to his older half brother who had connection and then got us permission in 2 days free of charge. Good luck sister.

  51. 51
    Nouri Said:
    July:31:2008 - 06:11 

    Thanks for the comment and advise . Actually I don’t have problem getting into the country . I’ve been there previously . I just want to check on how or what are the thing that should be done or prepared in order to carry on with our marriage . What are the rules that should be obeyed ?

  52. 52
    Sparky Said:
    July:31:2008 - 11:03 

    Nouri you are dealing with a untransparent country, so it is really the luck of the draw of who you end up dealing with.

    Saudis are not supposed to marry foreign women and for good reasons! Just read the article we are all commenting on. John has some other good articles posted on the subject I am sure. Try his search engine in the upper right hand corner.

  53. 53
    Aziz Said:
    August:16:2008 - 18:09 

    Hi !!! I am from Turkm….and i love girl from Saudi .we r studing now .She loves me too but she doesnt show it but i know she do.I called to her father to ask permission just to talk and sometimes meet her after if he ll be ok with this i told him that i ll come to saudi and ask her hand .But his father didnot accept it.I love her too much .I dont want to lose her .I planing to go to Saudi to his parents and ask her hand .But i dont know what to do ..plz advise me something to change her parents mine .

  54. 54
    Sparky Said:
    August:16:2008 - 20:42 

    Perhaps if the family could travel to Turk to see you and your family…just an idea…

    OR maybe in ten years after she is an old maid and nobody else wants her, they will change their mind. I hope for you before that… I advise against you going to Saudi to convince them.

  55. 55
    olivetheoil Said:
    August:16:2008 - 23:39 

    she doesnt show it but i know she do

    That’s a pretty disturbing statement.

  56. 56
    Sparky Said:
    August:17:2008 - 07:52 

    That is good you picked up on that olivetheoil. I missed that.

    That IS a disturbing statement…or one of those red flags people need to look into before getting into a relationship.

  57. 57
    John Burgess Said:
    October:18:2008 - 15:57 

    Son of Abdul Nayeem: I’ve deleted your comment, I’m afraid. This blog is not a marriage bureau or match maker site.

  58. 58
    shaik Said:
    October:27:2008 - 14:26 

    salaam alekum every one my name is shaik im from india but my father was saudi but he was dead im 26years old he dead when i was 5years its mean before 21years he dead and i dont have any one here only i have allah and allah allways help me and i proud to be im a muslim i know im alone but i dont feel like im alone bcuz allah he is allways with me i have a one question if u help me then please tell me i wanna saudi nationality my father was saudi national if i apply for saudi nationality then they give me or not i have some document that prove my father was saudi national ok if u like to reply me then please reply me i need to know this thanks

    shaik

  59. 59
    John Burgess Said:
    October:27:2008 - 16:41 

    If you have documents that show that your father was a Saudi national, then you should present them to the nearest Saudi Embassy or Consulate.

    You might want to take on the services of a lawyer who has handled Saudi nationalities cases in the past.

  60. 60
    shaik Said:
    October:29:2008 - 13:35 

    thanks for reply but i never been to saudi before what u think if i show them all of documents then they give me saudi nationallty or not some peoples tell me they have to give me and so many people tell me u born here ur indian ur father was saudi but i tell them we see this with blood and my blood is saudi what u think about this its sucks for me bcuz i wanna see my own country and i wanna live there but i “ll try my best to find this if u know any thing about this then please tell me okz

    see u shaik

  61. 61
    John Burgess Said:
    October:29:2008 - 13:43 

    I’d take the documents to the Saudi Embassy in New Delhi and see what they have to say. If there’s any way you can have the documents officially verified before you go, you’ll save yourself some trouble.

  62. 62
    shaik Said:
    October:29:2008 - 15:38 

    verified >? what are u talking trouble and i dont care trouble im strong and i love to fight if im right bcuz i belive in true and allah allways with true

  63. 63
    John Burgess Said:
    October:29:2008 - 18:02 

    Having the Indian government verify the documents will save you time and money when you present them to Saudi officials. You don’t need to do it, but you might later wish you had done so.

    Just remember that it far easier and far safer for a bureaucrat to say, ‘No’, than it is for him to say, ‘Yes’.

  64. 64
    shaik Said:
    October:30:2008 - 12:51 

    indian government verify the documents so what i have all legal documents why “ll worry about that if they dont give me i dont care im happy here also but i only trying to go saudi bcuz saudi is my country and i know they allow me i read alot of about this and so many peoples tell me they give me saudi nationality bcuz saudi is my country and im saudi so what i have not been there but i love my country india also great but saudi is my country and i love saudi i ask u what document they need to see why dint u reply me please tell me if u know that thanks for reply

    shaik

  65. 65
    John Burgess Said:
    November:01:2008 - 11:04 

    Shaik: You might want to take a look at this article from Arab News about the importance of documents:

    ‘Saudi family’ fights for nationality

  66. 66
    shaik Said:
    November:01:2008 - 13:36 

    really its sucks man but i tell u before this is destiny if they give me citizenship its good if not then ok i find my uncle number and i talk with him i tell him i wanna come to my country he said its ok if u wanna come if u need any help then i “ll help u he is my father own brother and my father have only one brother i dont know he tell me true or not bcuz we dint talk before and i dont know him that much if he help me and talk with saudi embassy then its very easy to get my citizenship what u think if he tell them about me then they give me actally i dont have anyone here my mom was dead before 3years and its sucks to live alone i dont know what to do but i “ll do my best thanks for reply i wish u help me more and show me some web sites that help me

    shaik

  67. 67
    Fatima Said:
    November:01:2008 - 14:41 

    Assalam-o-Alaikum,

    I need guidance regarding marring saudi men to Pakistani girl.
    he is 28years pstgraduate medical trainee in Pakistan and I am a pakistani girl.Is there any way for us to get married.how can he get permission as we already know that it is not allowed.
    plz let me know by any mean we can get permission.what will be the consequences.

    ALLAH BLESS US ALL

  68. 68
    VanitysAdvocate Said:
    November:07:2008 - 09:39 

    Shaik, based on what you’ve written here so fat, you’re a non saudi woman who married a saudi? Hmmm… I’ve got a Saudi boyfriend and things are not easy for us thats for sure, we want to get married but after reading through the posts here, it will only be possible if we have a wasta or money is that right?

    To anyone who knows someone, could you please let me know how much money it’l take for the bribe? I heard it’s around SAR 50,000? Thanks

  69. 69
    Sparky Said:
    November:07:2008 - 10:36 

    I personally know of people who paid nothing. Be careful…my husband was intially cheated out of 20,000 SAR by a princess before getting REAL FREE WASTA. Real wasta is free.

    Bribes can also work too. A friend of mine’s husband paid 80,000 and if you could see what became of their marriage you would surely be shocked so please just ask yourself “Is it all worth it?”

    Sometimes obstacles are actually red flags not something to mightingly conquer with glee. Also keep in mind that Saudis tend to use people not necessarily for their money but for other reasons…like to improve their English (I am serious!) or because in all honesty you come out being cheaper to them in terms of not having to have a huge wedding and all the dowry and crap like that. Saudi women demand a lot from their prospective grooms that foreign women will put on the backburner for the sake of “LOVE”.

    SOmeone once stated in a post by moving there and marrying a Saudi basically “Kiss Freedom’s Ass Goodbye” so I really hope his Ass is worth it.

  70. 70
    Abdul M Said:
    November:09:2008 - 17:36 

    I thought the saudi law will be a good example for all the humanity (Muslims and non-muslims) but, i came to know bribe is working here to get marry to Saudi girl. Prophet Muhammad PBUH said, make the marriages easy so that there will be no prostitution. I found some of my friends started to do homosex because, they cannot bribe to get a family visa and if they found going to prostitutes then they will be hanged to death. May Allah help all of us AAMIN.

  71. 71
    VanitysAdvocate Said:
    November:16:2008 - 15:08 

    I hope to find a FREE WASTA then hehe He spent his early years in the US, so I don’t think he’d be needing me as his English coach hehe

    We just want to be legally together, we are in LOVE and that’s all there is to it. These rules are making it harder for us- oh well, I do believe in the saying that nothing in this world worth having comes easy- so we’ll see how things will go…

    Thank you for your reply though.

  72. 72
    Sparky Said:
    November:16:2008 - 23:48 

    Vanity’sAdvocate…I wish you the best…and FREE WASTA…

    That is good he won’t need you as his English coach! LoL I suppose it is good to be needed at any rate for something other than being a nicknack.

    O.K. Imagine you are inside a balloon that is inflated with helium and you are with him flying up into the glorious sky…(that is nice isn’t it) Anyways, just make sure that you have enough helium to weather the rough rides (in-laws, out-laws and other vice) along the way and the things in the environment that might puncture your safe sanctuary of a love balloon(restrictions on simpleties and seething jealousy), in which case you will both fall to the ground (law of gravity) and hit your asses off the concrete.

    Peace…you will remember my words maybe in ten years…

  73. 73
    sarah Said:
    November:17:2008 - 02:51 

    Salam,I am filipina, Muslim and commited to a Saudi man, which we are planning now to get married soon. He’s coming over here in UAE next month for our marriage. Are there any consequences that may occur? what are these?

  74. 74
    shaik Said:
    November:21:2008 - 02:25 

    sarah u just beware of saudi mens lolz dont belive them iknow alot of about them if u want then add me my yahoo is

  75. 75
    zani Said:
    November:21:2008 - 12:04 

    Sorry 2 say, but again i dont care since da truth is always bitter that most saudi men r dicks and i really dont respect foreign women who wana marry saudi men, in most cases, they r just prostituting themselves—most saudi men r alien 2 da concept of love, they know only lust. ask saudi females and most of them will confirm that fact 2 u if they trust or luv u.

  76. 76
    shaik Said:
    November:22:2008 - 12:59 

    zain u must drunk i am saudi and u talk bad about us its really sucks beware allah and stop lying

  77. 77
    zani Said:
    November:22:2008 - 17:49 

    no sheikh, im sober and no i dont talk bad about ALL of u, only SOME of u and that should not suck unless ur in that category i mentioned—and im fully aware of Allah and dont lie at all; just telling da plain bitter truth.

  78. 78
    Aausha Said:
    November:25:2008 - 05:44 

    salaam,
    i am a saudi national.my father is saudi and mother is indian.i am 22 yrs want to marry an indian boy now he is living in india.what are the procedures that should be done how should we start.i have another problem that my father is not ready for this my mother is ready and all the family members from his side are also ready.we are trying to convince my father from 4 years he is not ready.what should we do please reply soon.wating for your reply.

  79. 79
    zani Said:
    November:25:2008 - 14:35 

    hi ausha
    thats precisely da problem with most saudi men/males—it was OK for him 2 marry non saudi woman but when u, his daughter, wants 2 marry non saudi guy, its not acceptable 2 him—if its been 4 yrs and heez still not convinced, then i assure u he never will b and u need 2 take a bold step and go 2 india and marry that boy—sorry, u may not like this, but ur father is a chauvinistic pig who is selfish and doesnt care about ur feelings and happiness—other alternative is, just accept what ur father wants, but then u will never ever b truely happy in life as many saudi females will confide 2 u.

  80. 80
    Aausha Said:
    November:27:2008 - 16:37 

    salaam,
    thnx for the reply,but the problem is that i cant go to india my pasport is with my dad.i cant go out any where because if he comes to know it will be a big problem.i wnant to tell u the whole story from the begining.i was born in india.and was living and studying there for 17 years.the boy im talking about is my mothers elder sisters son we know each other since we were kids.then in 2003 dad came and he said that he will give us saudi nationality we had to stop our studies i dint even complete school, he promised that he will continue our school in saudi,but he lied about it he dint do any thing..then he bought us to saudi and after staying 6 months in saudi we came to sharjah.now im in sharjah.he has not taken us to india since then,it has been 5-6yrs.he said you will not see india till you die.my mother is also here since then.she still has indian pasport.all our doccuments pasports are with dad.it is very difficult to contact any body.i dont know any body here as im not allowed to go out.the boy is trying very hard from there he wnts my help but im helpless.i dont know what to do.i have younger sisters if i take some sirous step they will get into problem.i realy need your help.as to what i should do.any thing you want to know about me please let me know.is there any way that i can go out from here.please let me know as soon as possible.you can also mail me.

  81. 81
    John Burgess Said:
    November:27:2008 - 19:42 

    That’s a complicated situation, all right.

    I think you should contact the Indian embassy in Abu Dhabi. If you cannot go in person, then phone them at +9712 4492700 You can send an e-mail to indiauae@emirates.net.ae if you prefer.

    You need to contact the Consular Affairs Section there.

    There is not a Saudi Embassy in the UAE, as best I can determine.

    You might try contacting the person responsible for Saudi citizen affairs at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC for advice:

    Professor / Jassim bin Mohammed al-Khalidi

    Office Phone (direct) 202-944-3108 202-944-3108

    Mobile 202-725-3266 202-725-3266

    Fax Office 202-295-3625 202-295-3625

    Transfers 2239, 2249, 2250 2239, 2249, 2250

  82. 82
    zani Said:
    November:28:2008 - 01:10 

    actually anusha
    i knew couple of indian muslim females who were in such a dilemma, but ur not in such a bad situation as u seem—u even admit that ur died lied and didnt take u back 2 india–well ur mom is an indian national—u should go 2 indian consulate in sharjah or dubai and apply for ur indian passport (under indian law, ur considered an indian citizen i believe)—dont go back 2 saudi—it will b more harder for u 2 get out—get ur indian passport and ask ur mom money for a ticket and go 2 india—otherwise b ready 2 marry a typical fat lazy and arrogant saudi man.

  83. 83
    Aausha Said:
    November:28:2008 - 04:08 

    thnx for the reply.i have a saudi nationality how can i apply for indian pasport?.they will not give.can a saudi girl marry an indian boy?.because my dad says saudi girls are not allowed to marry indians,there is no rule like that.the boy is ready to come here and help me,but i dont know what to do.my father has been to his house in india and promised them that he will get me married to him,the boy did a video recording of that.but when my dad comes here he changes.is there a way like, the boy comes here with his parents and we get married without my father knowing.i dont even know wether he will accept the marriage or no.or do u have any contacts in india the boy will try to work from india.pls rply soon.there is no way i can marry a saudi,i have seen my dad thats more than enough experiance for me.

  84. 84
    John Burgess Said:
    November:28:2008 - 10:33 

    Aausha: I really don’t know what to tell you. As you have Saudi nationality, you have to deal with the Saudi government. You can, technically, marry whomever you want if you follow the applicable laws. Right now, Saudi law throws up barriers to Saudi women’s marrying non-Saudis. You have to deal with those barriers.

    The choices you make have prices attached. You may or may not be willing to pay those prices. They might include cutting all ties with your family. Is that a price you’re willing to pay?

    If not, then you probably have to look for a husband with a Saudi passport. That’s patently unfair, but life and law aren’t about fairness.

    Your best bet, insofar as I can tell, is to try to get your father to change his mind. Pressure from you and whatever other family members you can recruit–his mother? his father? his brothers?–is probably the only way you can get what you seem to want on the terms you want.

  85. 85
    saudi Said:
    November:29:2008 - 12:37 

    Aausha
    its sucks really u need help and i think ur krazy indian guy with saudi girl its like angel with cow lol but Aausha please try to understand and dont try to do this stupit things ur muslim u need to learn quran allah dont allow us to do this i am saudi and i dont want this so Aausha stop

  86. 86
    ratherdashing Said:
    November:29:2008 - 17:49 

    …but Aausha please try to understand and dont try to do this stupit things ur muslim u need to learn quran allah dont allow us to do this i am saudi and i dont want this so Aausha stop

    I’d like to know where in the Quran, that Allah tells Aausha that she cannot marry the person of her choice. Please provide the verse. Secondly, why it is stupit for her to consider marrying a non-Saudi?

  87. 87
    Aausha Said:
    November:30:2008 - 15:03 

    thnx for the reply.i am trying to convience my dad for past 4 years he is not ready.i dont know why he is doing this.i dont even know arabic how can i marry a saudi.the guy i want to marry is a muslim.he know quran an hadees better than me.he has been waiting for me for 7 years.trying to convience my dad.my dad cant force me to marry a saudi coz in the quran its written without the girls permission you cant marry her.i can wait for my whole life for him.my dad is saudi i have seen his behaviour they dont care for indians,they treat them like servents their eyes are covered, what they see is only pride and status,when allah has said to treat every one equally.indians are far much better than them.i prefer marrying an indian.

  88. 88
    ratherdashing Said:
    November:30:2008 - 23:13 

    indians are far much better than them.i prefer marrying an indian.

    I understand what you mean but, that’s an over generalization. Not all Indians are better than Saudis. I don’t think you mean that.

    You have entered the area where you must decide whether you will follow your heart and marry the man of your choice or go against your father’s wish. I believe (from my limited understanding) that you do have the backing of the Quran. See the link below that Irshad Manji often refers to people in similar situations:

    http://www.forpeoplewhothink.org/

    I found this under “Women in Islam and Muslim Society”:

    On the basis of the uniform principles of Islamic jurisprudence, a Muslim woman enjoys the same capacity and freedom enjoyed by a man. A woman can propose marriage to a man, orally or in writing. A woman can freely choose her spouse, reject a suitor she does not like, or obtain divorce from an estranged husband against his will. However, a male relative normally formalizes the marriage contract, and marriage dissolution or divorce on a woman’s initiative is only granted by a judge.

    “Umamah bint Abil-As, a lady companion of the Prophet, proposed marriage by sending a message to Al-Mughirah bin Naufal. He then sought her hand in marriage from Al-Hasan, her cousin, who duly solemnized the marriage.” (Al-Isabah)

    “An account about Sahal bin Saad Al-Saidi tells about a Muslim woman who proposed verbally to the Prophet himself.” (All six reporters of hadith)

    Regarding a woman’s freedom of marital choice, one may read the provisions of the Qur’an regarding preventing a woman, by force, from marrying:

    “And when you divorce women, and they fulfill the term of their Iddat, either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms. But do not take them back to prejudice them or to take undue advantage thereof. Whosoever does that, indeed he harms his own soul.” (Al-Baqarah 232)

    A case in point is the famous story of Mughith, who used to go after his ex-wife Burairah through the streets of Madina.

    “He would try to appease her with tears flowing from his eyes in order to bring her back, but she refused to do so. The Prophet himself tried to intercede, but the girl declined as long as the Prophet did not order her to reconcile.” (Tirmidhi)

    The Prophet ordered that a woman should not be married except with her own authority and consent. He said: “Do not marry a non-virgin except on her instruction, nor marry a virgin except with her permission.” (Bukhari)

    Whether a girl was a virgin or not, the Prophet would not allow her marriage under compulsion.

    “Ibn-Abbas stated that a virgin girl came to the Prophet and told him that her father had got her married without her approval. The Prophet gave her complete freedom to choose whichever course pleased her.” (Reported by Abu Dawoud, Ahmed & Ibn Majah)

    Another girl came to the Prophet and complained that her father had married her to his nephew against her wish. The Prophet gave her the choice of rejecting the marriage, but she said to the Prophet: “I endorse what my father did, but I wanted to show women that parents have nothing to do in the matter.” (Ibn Majah)

  89. 89
    ratherdashing Said:
    November:30:2008 - 23:17 

    Oh, here is Irshad Manji if you don’t already know who she is:

    http://www.irshadmanji.com/home

  90. 90
    aausha Said:
    December:02:2008 - 13:44 

    is there any way of convincing my dad.is there something if i tell him he will agree.i need help asap.

  91. 91
    ratherdashing Said:
    December:02:2008 - 14:17 

    aausha,

    We don’t know your father and don’t know what special words will convince him. If it were me, I would try to get out of the KSA and back to India. Have you contacted the Indian Embassy like Mr. Burgess suggested? They have a hotline for women in “distress”. Write them. Call them. Fax them. Email them. See their website below.

    http://www.indembassyuae.org/
    Embassy Of India, Abu Dhabi
    Plot No. 10, Sector W-59/02
    Diplomatic Area, Off the Airport Road
    P.O. Box 4090, Abu Dhabi
    United Arab Emirates

    Tel: +9712 4492700
    Fax: +9712 4444685 / +9712 4447768

    Here is the Indian Passport Services website:

    http://www.ipavsc.com/
    They may be able to help obtain the passport from your father.

  92. 92
    saudi Said:
    December:04:2008 - 12:18 

    ratherdashing ur just stupit dont give her f*cking ideas she iskid she dont know peoples and love is nothing just *sshole please try to follow ur father he know better then u trust me he wanna u happy in ur life everyone love our family so please stop stop stop this things

    Obscenities are not really appropriate for this blog, thank you

  93. 93
    aausha Said:
    December:04:2008 - 13:04 

    mr saudi when you dont know a person u should not speak about them.what do u know about my father?he is a lier.first he bought us to saudi lying that he will bring my mother also.when we came to saudi he said i will not bring your mother,why do you need mother..he kept us without our mother for 1 year..we cried alot then he brought our mother…he promised us that he will let us study…but that was also a lie,every body has the right to education…then why cant we study….can you answer me all that…all girls go out for shopping..they get money from their father to spend…why cant i get..why cant i go out if i need some thing…i have to work like a servent in the house…mr saudi can u answer me, is that his love that he is treating me like this…he tells my mother u are an indian,u are a maid…is this the way saudies treat their wife…answer me that….i am not a kid…you want to hear more that listen to this…my dad has 2 more wife one is in abudhabi an arab and other is in saudi she is also an arab..the wife in abudhabi has 3 children 2 boys 1 girl all of them are educated and married with their choice ,all are working….the saudi wife has 3 children 1 boy 2 girls all married with their choice,her son is a surgen in canada,the daughters are educated….then why not justiece with us….only because my mother is indian…can u answer me that do you think he loves us…now 25 year for my mothers marriage she is still suffering i see it every day and still you want me to marry a saudi….i want the answers to all my above questions from you mr saudi……

  94. 94
    ratherdashing Said:
    December:04:2008 - 23:03 

    Saudi,

    You never answered my earlier question. You said:

    allah dont allow us to do this

    So, I will restate my question. I’d like to know where in the Quran it states that Aausha should not marry the man of her choice. What verse says this?

    Secondly, why is it stupit for her to consider marrying a non-Saudi? How will this make her happy in ur life?

  95. 95
    saudi Said:
    December:05:2008 - 11:26 

    Aausha i am really sorry for that but baby ur girl and u dont know this and this is destiny but trust me everything will be fine if u wait trust allah and allah give u anything what u need inshallah where u live >? i live in jubail and u

  96. 96
    aausha Said:
    December:06:2008 - 14:37 

    To all of you,
    thankyou very much for your openion and help,i am really thankful to all of you.i will use all the help you have given me,and inshallah i’ll get what i want.i want all of you to pray for me.inshallah allah will guide me through this.thankyou for all your support..

  97. 97
    ratherdashing Said:
    December:06:2008 - 23:38 

    aausha,

    You’re welcome & good luck. I will certainly say a prayer for you.

    click here

  98. 98
    John Burgess Said:
    December:07:2008 - 00:42 

    aausha: I, too, wish you the very best of luck. Be careful and be honest. Then pray for the best.

  99. 99
    noor Said:
    January:21:2010 - 04:00 

    salam,

    Sadly to say i am married to saudi husband nearly 3 years, we waited for our marriage to be registered in Saudi until now the our applications has been flying from riyadh and back to al ahsa. Off course with the situation it been such a stressful and suffering for both side my husband and i. Right now i am still standing firm and his wife. But my husband has lost courage and sadly to say it disturb his psychologically. He cant sleep, eat and thinking properly. I know the goverment have their own right to controll Saudis from marrying outsiders but is it in Quran doesn’t stop us to marry anyone we like and Islam is pure and righteous, marriage is a marriage it’s hallal even from where you get married with. Allah is a luving god he doesn’t want to see seperation even Divorce is halal but it’s the last things for Allah to be happy with.

    Who are we? We are only a human, his slave in the eye of God, Have a mercy on this husband and wife who just wanted to live happily luving each other and have a family on their own. I luv my husband dearly, i cannot loose him and seeing him destroying day by day.

  100. 100
    KHALID Said:
    May:29:2010 - 07:33 

    DEAR SIR
    I READ ALL ABOVE MESSAGES, BUT I LIKE SAUDI ARABIA VERY MUCH
    SO I WANT TO LIVE IN SAUDIARABIA THAT IS WHY I DECIDED THAT I
    MARRIAGE WITH SAUDI GIRL CAN IT IS POSSIBLE CAN YU HELPME
    MY ADRESS IS SIDDIUI@YAHOO.COM
    THANKS @ BEST REGARDS
    KHALID

    Crossroads Arabia is not a marriage broker site. I’m permitting this comment only in order to make this comment. Future quests for spouses will be deleted as spam

  101. 101
    Mee Lee Said:
    June:24:2010 - 04:06 

    Hi,

    I’m from Hungary. I have a friend. She has a Saudi boyfriend. He says he will marry her. In this marriage there would be only two of them and two of his friends. What is this about? He says they do this kind of marriage and it’s totally normal. Could it be just mutah or wanasa ( I know he is too young for that, so something like wanasa) or what?

    Mee

  102. 102
    Javidan Hajizada Said:
    June:24:2010 - 12:29 

    Assalamu Alaikum to everyone. I look for professional lawyer advice who know Saudi Arabia laws well.

  103. 103
    Javidan Hajizada Said:
    June:24:2010 - 12:49 

    Assalamu Alaikum to everyone! I am looking for a legal advice from those who really know requirements of Saudi Arabia Laws about marriage.
    HERE IS MY CASE-CASUS:
    I am a citizen of Azerbaijan Republic and 100 percent muslim man. I am 26 now. 6 months ago I met one girl who was 23 years old in one of the islamic forums.She is a citizen of Saudi ARABIA, lives in Riyadh. We had a chat then she sent me her photo in abaya and I really fell in love with her. She also loved me and we agreed to marry after some times. I told my parents about my marriage decision and they congartulated me. But the girl (I do not want to announce her name) informed me that, according to the laws of Saudi Arabia it is forbidden for Saudi Woman to marry non-Saudi men.Furthermore I love her and she also loves me and we both want to marry.I only want to take her to Azerbaijan where our laws allow us to marry foreign citizens. We do not want to live in Saudi Arabia.
    So taking into consideration the premises my questions are following:
    1-Is it TRUE that Saudi Arabia laws restrict or forbid its woman citizens to marry non-Saudi men? (it is possible that girls parents deceived her)
    2-Can she apply to the state organizations of Saudi Arabia for permission to leave the country for marriage with a foreighner?
    (which consequences are expected due to the very application)
    3-Commonly, what she must do to come to Azerbaijan and marry me here? (I love my country and Azerbaijan is rich oil country, therefore I do not need to live in Saudi Arabia neither my lover wants)
    4-May she come to Azerbaijan without her parents’ permission?
    (What documents she needs to prepare to come to Azerbaijan?)

    I am very pleased to meet you all in this forum. Please help me with these questions because I feel sad now. Thank you very much. I will be waiting for your legal advices and recommendations. Assalamu Alaikum

  104. 104
    Sandy Said:
    June:24:2010 - 13:10 

    Does he have permission from the Saudi government for this marriage?

  105. 105
    Chiara Said:
    June:24:2010 - 14:44 

    Javidan–I am not a lawyer but have an interest in, and have done some work on, this topic.

    In general, any Saudi needs government permission to marry, and particularly to marry a foreigner. It is in some ways harder for Saudi women to marry non-Saudis; and particularly non-Arab Muslims. Younger women and non-medical doctors have more difficulty.

    The permission is best obtained first, or it becomes much more difficult to obtain later. The process is challenging for all but more so if the family does not agree to the marriage, which might be the case here. It involves a lot of paperwork, and often is helped by a personal petition, and influence (wasta).

    To answer your questions to the best of my ability:

    1) Yes she needs government permission to marry in order for her marriage to be recognized in Saudi.

    2) Her mahrem ie her father would have to approve anything official including leaving to marry.

    3) She would need her mahrem’s permission to leave Saudi. If she married there the marriage would not be recognized unless it was approved, preferably before but after if necessary. The marriage must be an official Islamic one.

    4) It would be very difficult for her to go to Azerbaijan without her father’s ie her mahrem’s permission. She would need his legal permission even if she went for studies, or a job, or tourism.

    I hope that helps. Please consult my blog, Chez Chiara, as there is a category on the side bar Marriage Permission/ Visa/ Iqama which will take you to posts with more information, including the process and the list of documents, and examples of others who have or are in the process of obtaining permission.

    If you want me to post your story there, so you can get more feedback about it from others, please send me an email to chezchiara2 AT yahoo DOT com. You can also read the page on my blog called Personal Stories, and the examples in the Category Personal Stories to get an idea of what your post might be like.

    All the best to you and your love in all cases!

  106. 106
    Chiara Said:
    June:25:2010 - 19:59 

    Mee Lee–Just saw your comment up there. Again I am not an expert, but if your friend is looking for a legal permanent marriage she should be clear about that, and an imam needs to be present, 2 witnesses, he needs to provide a mahr (dowry) no matter of what size for it to be legal. Both her father, and she should give their consent. Her father in a legal document if not present physically; and she to her mahrem (her father or a substitute for the “father of the bride” who must be the same faith as she is) during the ceremony. If the marriage is to be performed/contracted in a language in which she is not fluent, she must have an interpreter/translator presented and it neesd to be noted legally too (the person’s ID). There should be a legal certificate issued, and her identification (eg Passport details, father’s name, grandfather’s name, place of birth, date of birth) in order to create that legal record and certificate. If it is a muta’ah or misyar marriage it should still be legalized in a similar fashion. She should be sure to have her own legal copy of the certificate.

    She does not have to convert if she is a Christian or a Jew, and she does not have to take a Muslim or Arabic name.

    Again, there is further in formation on my blog, Chez Chiara, as in my comment above, and you and she are welcome to share your personal story if you want readers to address your questions.

    You are both most welcome to read and comment on anything of interest to you, a I wish your friend all the best.

  107. 107
    viv Said:
    July:03:2010 - 19:51 

    To John Burgess
    Saudi Arabia is not different in its male/female ratio birth rate to other countries. There are always more male births; the ratio is in the region of 106 boys to every 100 girls everywhere. It is only over the age of 60 that there are more females which pushes the overall number of females to exceed males in these countries. Therefore the excuse that men can have more wives due to ‘surplus’ women is entirely incorrect. In marriageable age groups there are surplus men, completely the opposite, which should give rise to women having four husbands!

  108. 108
    John Burgess Said:
    July:03:2010 - 21:19 

    I don’t recall ever suggesting that there were any notable imbalances in the male/female birth ratio. And yes, women do tend to outlive men, once deaths at childbirth are avoided. We may have to hold our breaths longer than possible, though, to await the day that polyandry takes over in the KSA!

  109. 109
    Daisy Said:
    July:05:2010 - 11:57 

    John,
    I’m glad to see you here! :-)

  110. 110
    Fatima Said:
    July:08:2010 - 10:01 

    Assalamu Alaikum to everyone in this page, I’m in desperate need of advices regarding my current problem. HERE IS MY CASE.

    I’m a filipina who worked in Riyadh for 5 years where I’ve met my current boyfriend for almost 2 years, He is a Saudi guy. He’s just 28 and he once told me that in their law, he should be above 35 or divorced or married before he can marry me.

    We try to think of other solutions like marrying to another country but we don’t have any idea if it will be accepted in his country. We heard about this ” wasta ” but we don’t even know whom we should seek for help.

    This situation is a growing pain to both of us and it sometimes causes problems in our relationship whenever we try to talk about it. We both love each other and we don’t want to sacrifice each other.

    We’ve been through a lot of pain and I told him once that it’s all okay for me to wait for him until he will turn 35 or more but we can’t just let it be like that. I’m afraid that just because of this, His parents will force him to get married to a saudi girl and we won’t be able to be together anymore.

    I hope someone can help me get some useful informations or steps regarding the Saudi to Non-Saudi marriage.

  111. 111
    Chiara Said:
    July:08:2010 - 11:44 

    Fatima-Please follow the links I left in my comments #105 and 106 and there are step by step what to do and documents, as well as personal examples from other.

    If you want to have me do a post on your situation in particular to get more specific feedback please contact me at chezchiara2 AT yahoo DOT com

    All the best!

  112. 112
    Majed Said:
    July:13:2010 - 10:30 

    Cristi (44)
    well if your husband to be does not like the Philippine Law of marriage you simply can marry according to (Code of Muslim Personal Laws of the Philippines.” of 4th Feb 1977
    you can check this site http://www.chanrobles.com/presidentialdecreeno1083.htm
    for further information i hope it will help.
    wish all the best.

  113. 113
    shy birando Said:
    August:19:2010 - 09:35 

    im a filipino woman and i have a 25 years old saudi boyfriend for 2 years. and he want me to marry him. i am confused because i dont know the laws in saudi arabia about marriage to another nationality. Please help me, i want to know all things that we need to do in order for us to marry.

  114. 114
    Chiara Said:
    August:19:2010 - 14:21 

    Shy Birnando– you are welcome to visit my blog and look at the information contained in the posts in the category Marriage Permission/Visa/Iqama which have a lot of detailled information and examples in both the posts and the comments. Just click on my name in this message and go to the blog and the side bar.

    Feel free to email me at chezchiara2 AT yahoo DOT com.

    All the best

  115. 115
    faizy Said:
    September:17:2010 - 21:01 

    Assalamu alaikum guys,, love ur all comments..
    m the one who`s in love with saudi girl,& she too, the prob is her family not ready for me for marrying her… & she was so confused bout it..she`s tryin to see any way of marry bt still we dont have any
    on the other hand,,wen i see saudia`s law of marry ,,i hate them.,.cz our prophet dint say ,dont marry saudian,, muslim can marry muslim
    thast y i wish to take with me canada n then marry their
    even i dont care weather thy dont let me come in saudia,,
    i jst want my love..nothing else..
    could any body can mail me please briefly,,wat should i do? o any body marry saudian girl who`s foreignr ,thn pls tell me wat way would b better for us
    faizyshahfh@hotmail.com

  116. 116
    Chiara Said:
    September:17:2010 - 23:00 

    Faizy–I have sent you an email. In brief, feel free to consult the 2 relevant categories on my blog Chez Chiara: Marriage Permission; Personal Stories.

    You may benefit most from the advice that was given to Javidan, who commented here above, on the post he did on my blog, as his situation sounds most similar.

    Your Saudi love will not be able to leave the country easily, or without her mahrem’s (father’s) permission. A Canadian marriage wouldn’t be recognized in Saudi, only an Islamic one approved by the Saudi government. The Saudi government marriage approval process is much easier if the family agrees and helps, generally takes time, and is a challenge, as is more difficult if you don’t get the permission before marrying.

    I hope that helps. I look forward to your reply to my email, which is essentially an invitation for you to do a post about your situation on my blog so that you will get advice from a number of knowledgeable commentators on your own specific situation.

  117. 117
    J. Kactuz Said:
    September:18:2010 - 14:17 

    It never ceases to amaze me how people, even knowning of the problems that others face, are so willing to ignore facts and logic. This is particularly true bin marriage between a Muslim and a non-Muslim. Now if we are talking an Arab and Saudi, and anybody else, even Muslim, this risk factor is multiplied a hundred times.

    First of this, is not a union of equals. Second it is complicated by bias, prejudice and intolerance of non-Muslims, non-arabs and non-Saudis.

    Yet the heart assumes that none of this applies to it and that true love will overcome all obstacles and somehow a prince on a white horse will carry the little princess off into the sunset of eternal bliss. Its one in a million, give or take.

    The facts are these: These marriages are very risky and many not only fail, but the woman is put through endless shame, humiliation and torment. If there are children involved, the sorrow and pain is multiplied many times. Note to women marrying a Saudi and going to that country: your children are not your children. Think about that. If things go wrong, you might be able to be near them by submitting to the indignities that will be heaped upon you – or you might lose them..

    Some Saudi men are obviously nice, dedicated, good husbands. It seems that many more vie women as a sex object to be used and discarded. It also seems that these men don’t have the balls to stand up to their family, which shows how much they really love their husbands.

    As to all the references to Quranic verses and ahadith describing a woman rights or the perfect Islamic marriage or the supportive attitude of Mohammed towards women and marriage, well I can easily find verses and traditions that say the contrary, that show women are objects, that wives have little value, that Mohammed mistreated women and that his choice of wives was not as described above. In other words, these mean nothing. Or better yet, I could say that all the theology ideology in the world is worth less than one verse in the New Testament – you know, the one about “a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall become one” (Didn’t look it up but pretty close – I have heard it in dozens of wedding!). I don’t know about that ‘cleave’ part.

  118. 118
    John Burgess Said:
    September:18:2010 - 16:22 

    I think all marriages across national borders should require a course–of varying duration–that spells out exactly the legal consequences of that marriage. It might only be a two-day course for marrying a Canadian, three days for a Brit, two weeks for a Gulf Arab. National borders are also cultural borders and surprises always pop up for the unaware. Even those trained for those changes still experience culture shock. If you’re marrying into the shock with no easy way out, the odds of an unhappy outcome are quite high.

  119. 119
    faizy Said:
    September:23:2010 - 18:29 

    can anybody tell ,,,, If saudi girl want to leave her country without permission of her parents & want to go abraod hindenly!! so how can leave tht? & wat kind of permission is required from her parents to leave KSA??
    If saudi girl marry in abraod without takin permission of saudi goverment & her parments approval? then wat kind of problems ll she ve to face? & will it possible for her bieng marrying like this?
    after marry saudi goverment can take action against this abraod marriage of girl which ll b held in another country like a canada or uk or anyother counntry?
    whats the easiest way for her to leave her home country without permision of her parents
    & is there any country which law is more powerfull then saudi
    eg.. if we marry in tht state then nobody wont b able to take any disciplinary action against saudi girl or non saudi guy
    please breifly with reality who has saudi girl or who has non-saudi guy
    pls mail me at this email id.. tahseense@hotmail.com

  120. 120
    Chiara Said:
    September:23:2010 - 22:12 

    Faizy–I hope you got the email reply I sent to your email address in your first comment here. I also hope that others who are Saudi or in a marriage with a Saudi will reply to your questions. All the best.

  121. 121
    Sandy Said:
    September:24:2010 - 04:01 

    There is no legal way for her to leave without permission from her Father.

    She will need a VISA to enter another country.

    Saudi law does not apply in any country except Saudi.

    The Saudi woman could face legal problems in the new country if she is not there legally.

    If she goes back she could face all kinds of problems back in Saudi, for her illegal marriage.

    If she leaves it is best to assume she is never going back. This will be very hard for a traditional Saudi girl to be cut off from her home and family and living in a new culture. She may end up very unhappy once outside.

  122. 122
    John Burgess Said:
    September:24:2010 - 06:56 

    Just nit-picking, but if she is traveling on a Saudi passsport, there are several countries she can enter without a visa. The GCC States are among them, but I also think Egypt, Malaysia, and a handful of others. They do not give her permission to stay there beyond a few months, however.

  123. 123
    Sandy Said:
    September:24:2010 - 12:34 

    Very true about the GCC countries.

  124. 124
    faizy Said:
    September:25:2010 - 19:33 

    thanx alot guys for urs opinions,,,,,,,,& m sory chiara i couldnt see ur mail!!if u can so pls kindly send me ur mail to this tahseense@hotmail.com

  125. 125
    Chiara Said:
    September:25:2010 - 22:26 

    Faizy–no problem. I just re-sent it, to that newer email address.

  126. 126
    majid Said:
    November:09:2010 - 02:55 

    saudi government is the worst in human right

  127. 127
    Majed Said:
    November:10:2010 - 10:00 

    @ 117

    if “a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall become one”

    shall a man leave his mother and father in this case too:

    1 Corinthians 6:16

    “Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

  128. 128
    Kaier Ahmad Said:
    November:30:2010 - 03:58 

    Me with my fiancee and family members from Malaysia, will be coming to saudi arabia for umrah in mid December 2010 and having the intention to get married in Makkah. We are not working or residing in Saudi Arabia (both do not have Saudi Iqamah). We want to perform the akad nikah in Makkah and register under the Saudi Syariah Law. Could we get the nikah done in Saudi Arabia or what are the rules and regulations.Please advised.

    Note: We have the clearance documents from the qadi in Malaysia.

  129. 129
    John Burgess Said:
    November:30:2010 - 08:10 

    @Kaier Ahmad: I think you need to talk to someone at the Saudi Embassy in Kuala Lumpur about this. I don’t know the answer to your question.

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