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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-14799</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read this man&#039;s name Abdullah Hamid name for a long time and it never stuck in my mind. But last night I had a dream I was looking for him. I drove to see him. He had become a prince or sheik (rich). He drove a blue car. Anyways, his guard said he was tired, but I could see him tomorrow. The good thing in the dream is I drove myself to see him and drove myself home after going to see him while in Saudi. How is jr doing? Anyone know what he is up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read this man&#8217;s name Abdullah Hamid name for a long time and it never stuck in my mind. But last night I had a dream I was looking for him. I drove to see him. He had become a prince or sheik (rich). He drove a blue car. Anyways, his guard said he was tired, but I could see him tomorrow. The good thing in the dream is I drove myself to see him and drove myself home after going to see him while in Saudi. How is jr doing? Anyone know what he is up to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahmood's Den</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmood's Den</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Saudi reforms gather pace&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s only seven days into King Abdullah&#039;s reign, but if things like this become the norm, then his reign bodes well not only for Saudi, but for the whole region</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Saudi reforms gather pace</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s only seven days into King Abdullah&#8217;s reign, but if things like this become the norm, then his reign bodes well not only for Saudi, but for the whole region</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariya: You&#039;re welcome to your opinions, of course. He released a religious extremist. Let&#039;s see what comes from that guy before we characterize the pardons as &quot;just for show.&quot;

The &quot;show&quot; so far is that he released the reformers and interrupted the trial of their lawyer to make his point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariya: You&#8217;re welcome to your opinions, of course. He released a religious extremist. Let&#8217;s see what comes from that guy before we characterize the pardons as &#8220;just for show.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;show&#8221; so far is that he released the reformers and interrupted the trial of their lawyer to make his point.</p>
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		<title>By: Divine Mercy</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1013</link>
		<dc:creator>Divine Mercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had to read that twice. A very noble gesture to say the least. Rather than analyze why it didn&#039;t happen before, consider his unusual speedy move a step in the right direction.

As for women&#039;s rights, putting all the spotlight on what Kuwait has achieved is not seeing the whole picture, or a fair comparison.

Keeping in mind what we American women endured in history to receive our rights (torture in some cases) let us put the women&#039;s empowerment issues where they belong: on the women.

Despite media blitz on the National Assembly in Kuwait to protest for their rights, in actuality only 400 women showed up. Perhaps the West should listen to the actual women speaking as a whole. The mere numbers showed indifference.

Women over here have a &quot;quiet&quot; power, not seen in public, and are quite able to speak for themselves. The public persona is completely different. Women&#039;s empowerment will come in it&#039;s own time based on the collective views of society, as it should be.

In the M.E. there is more of a sense of &quot;We&quot; rather than &quot;I&quot; and this is positive in terms of social evolution for a society who still maintains family as priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had to read that twice. A very noble gesture to say the least. Rather than analyze why it didn&#8217;t happen before, consider his unusual speedy move a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>As for women&#8217;s rights, putting all the spotlight on what Kuwait has achieved is not seeing the whole picture, or a fair comparison.</p>
<p>Keeping in mind what we American women endured in history to receive our rights (torture in some cases) let us put the women&#8217;s empowerment issues where they belong: on the women.</p>
<p>Despite media blitz on the National Assembly in Kuwait to protest for their rights, in actuality only 400 women showed up. Perhaps the West should listen to the actual women speaking as a whole. The mere numbers showed indifference.</p>
<p>Women over here have a &#8220;quiet&#8221; power, not seen in public, and are quite able to speak for themselves. The public persona is completely different. Women&#8217;s empowerment will come in it&#8217;s own time based on the collective views of society, as it should be.</p>
<p>In the M.E. there is more of a sense of &#8220;We&#8221; rather than &#8220;I&#8221; and this is positive in terms of social evolution for a society who still maintains family as priority.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariya</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He also pardoned some unsavory characters as well... this is all just for show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also pardoned some unsavory characters as well&#8230; this is all just for show.</p>
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		<title>By: China Ate My Blog! ä¸­å›½åƒäº†æˆ‘çš„åšå®¢! :: Changes afoot in Saudi Arabia :: August :: 2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>China Ate My Blog! ä¸­å›½åƒäº†æˆ‘çš„åšå®¢! :: Changes afoot in Saudi Arabia :: August :: 2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s the hope, anyway. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s the hope, anyway. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Saudis have excellent spin doctors.  To me, that actually damages their credibility.  We&#039;ll see how things look a couple of weeks from now.

FYI, &lt;a href=&quot;http://muttawa.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Religious Policeman&lt;/a&gt; has returned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saudis have excellent spin doctors.  To me, that actually damages their credibility.  We&#8217;ll see how things look a couple of weeks from now.</p>
<p>FYI, <a href="http://muttawa.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Religious Policeman</a> has returned.</p>
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		<title>By: The Jawa Report</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jawa Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tales of Interest!  Brazilian Bikini Waxing Edition&lt;/strong&gt;

Here&#039;s some interesting stuff sent to me this morning. New intelligence indicates that Osama bin Laden may be headed to Iraq for Ramadan. I&#039;m not buying it, but if it was true think of all the great caption-contest opportunities. Brazil...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tales of Interest!  Brazilian Bikini Waxing Edition</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some interesting stuff sent to me this morning. New intelligence indicates that Osama bin Laden may be headed to Iraq for Ramadan. I&#8217;m not buying it, but if it was true think of all the great caption-contest opportunities. Brazil&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon: According to today&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Washington Post&lt;/em&gt;,&lt;blockquote&gt;The men&#039;s release, announced in a brief statement on Saudi television, was accompanied Monday night by the pardon and release of an Islamic scholar, Saeed bin Mubarak Zaeer, who had been jailed on terrorism-related charges because of televised statements that the Saudi government said had endorsed the violent tactics of Osama bin Laden.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It seems that he&#039;s signalling that he&#039;s not going to put people in jail merely for what they say. We&#039;ll need to wait to see how that works out with those who support terror. Abdullah has been absolutely condemnatory of terror, so this may be giving Zaeer a chance to clean up his act.

D. Stevens: Until last week, Abdullah was not king. As regent, his powers were limited by what other senior princes--and outsiders--thought. Now he&#039;s the leader and it seems he&#039;s prepared to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon: According to today&#8217;s <em>Washington Post</em>,<br />
<blockquote>The men&#8217;s release, announced in a brief statement on Saudi television, was accompanied Monday night by the pardon and release of an Islamic scholar, Saeed bin Mubarak Zaeer, who had been jailed on terrorism-related charges because of televised statements that the Saudi government said had endorsed the violent tactics of Osama bin Laden.
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<p>It seems that he&#8217;s signalling that he&#8217;s not going to put people in jail merely for what they say. We&#8217;ll need to wait to see how that works out with those who support terror. Abdullah has been absolutely condemnatory of terror, so this may be giving Zaeer a chance to clean up his act.</p>
<p>D. Stevens: Until last week, Abdullah was not king. As regent, his powers were limited by what other senior princes&#8211;and outsiders&#8211;thought. Now he&#8217;s the leader and it seems he&#8217;s prepared to lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Carter</title>
		<link>http://xrdarabia.org/2005/08/08/reformers-pardoned/comment-page-1/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, seems to me we need to wait a year or so and look back to see what&#039;s actually been happening.  Positive early signs, perhaps, but what will King Abdullah do over time?

I would hope he eventually does something about the extremely negative influence of Wahhabism.  It&#039;s one of the most dangerous influences underlying terrorism, both inside and outside the Kingdom.  Can the Family ever succeed in taming it, or do they even want to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, seems to me we need to wait a year or so and look back to see what&#8217;s actually been happening.  Positive early signs, perhaps, but what will King Abdullah do over time?</p>
<p>I would hope he eventually does something about the extremely negative influence of Wahhabism.  It&#8217;s one of the most dangerous influences underlying terrorism, both inside and outside the Kingdom.  Can the Family ever succeed in taming it, or do they even want to?</p>
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